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Re: Ldraw Logo on Studs
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Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:12:06 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Ahui Herrera writes:
> Yes this is TRUE, but LDRAW's (the organization) POLICY is to NEVER EVER
> create, post, or distribute any other pieces other than Offical LEGO parts!
There was a recent post about creating a links page for non-standard uses of
the LDraw format for clones and knex stuff:
http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dev/org/ldraw/?n=1777
So while they aren't proposing to distribute the files themselves, I don't
see quite the vehemence implied by the phrase "NEVER EVER."
> Hum... Proprietray? Ldraw or the library of parts? The original parts
> library IS NOT FREEWARE! It's copyrighted by the original author. Since he
> has passed away his estate owns the copyright to the original parts. ALL
> the parts created since then are COPYRIGHT of the individual authors! I'm
> not sure if the original DOS ldraw.exe editor is copyright? I would image
> it is, but I'm not sure anyone still uses it so not point in discussing it.
Again, while what you say is probably true (I haven't researched it
specifically), there is a LOT of slippage. Just today someone was talking
about taking up the development of a file to represent the bubble canopy
that was created by another developer -- now I am not suggesting that he is
usurping the task, merely that there is a huge sense of community and
sharing as regards LDraw stuff. The original author probably doesn't care
if someone else wants to take up the work in progress. Authors, as far as I
have seen, are encouraged to build from primitives that are shared and so
on. Anyway, this is a small issue, at least in practice, as far as I have
seen...
> Ldraw DOES NOT put the 'lego' logo on your model. I believe that LDview and
> L3PAO both provide the user with the option of putting this logo.
I don't know that LDview does this, at least I haven't noticed it in my
version, but yes -- it does seem to be a L3PAO thing for sure. Both the
"Lego" and "Ldraw" logos are created by different versions of L3PAO.
> So it is the individual users that decides to put the logo or not.
Here again, I think that many people -- like yours truly here -- try to read
as little documentation as possible. If the only thing that Level quality 3
does is to add the "Lego" logo, perhaps it should be labelled better.
What's more, I for one, would like the option of placing "LDraw" on those
studs instead, as was possible in an earlier version of L3PAO. Admittedly,
I don't know what's involved with achieving the next suggestion, but a
modeler's initials might be a nice option too.
> The only problem that I know of where LEGO said NO was at brickswest 2002
> <SNIP>
> Lego laywers said NO.
I don't know their reasons any better than do you, but I am going to guess
that they simply didn't wan't non-lego items being sold in their space.
Wasn't Brickswest held at Legoland, CA?
> Again L3PAO DOES NOT do it automatically, a user MUST request a level 3 output.
> If you have done any POV rendered work you would know that most people use
> level 2.
And again, while not automatic perhaps, some people may simply think that
level 3 is better quality OVERALL, and not just a logo tweak (it is
absolutely a labelling issue within the L3PAO interface). And FWIW, I have
seen a lot of renders done with the studs logo so I think your latter
assertion is actually false.
> LDraw is currenlty attemtpting for form itself into an OFFICAL ORGANIZATION.
> The estate of the original creator of LDraw can at ANY TIME remove ldraw
> from the public (not likely to happen) but can happen.
That should certainly be hashed out. It's not a small thing after all, and
a lot of others have put in a lot of time besides.
> WE WILL ONLY MAKE LEGO BRICKS!!!!!!! AGAIN WE WILL ONLY MAKE LEGO BRICKS!!!!!!
And some modelers have used LDraw to model household furniture plans, clone
bricks, and even Knex. But yeah, okay, whatever...
-- Hop-Frog
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| (...) Ahui was referring to the LDraw.org website distributing cloned parts. We acknowledge there are other uses for the LDraw modeling system and will be linking to them. But they're not 'Official LDraw.org' distributions, they're third-party (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad)
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| (...) Yes this is TRUE, but LDRAW's (the organization) POLICY is to NEVER EVER create, post, or distribute any other pieces other than Offical LEGO parts! I don't think this policy is EVER going to change for a number of reason; the top two IMO (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad)
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