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Re: Ldraw Logo on Studs
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Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:29:31 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.cad, Ahui Herrera writes:
> > Yes this is TRUE, but LDRAW's (the organization) POLICY is to NEVER EVER
> > create, post, or distribute any other pieces other than Offical LEGO parts!
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> There was a recent post about creating a links page for non-standard uses of
> the LDraw format for clones and knex stuff:
> http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dev/org/ldraw/?n=1777
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> So while they aren't proposing to distribute the files themselves, I don't
> see quite the vehemence implied by the phrase "NEVER EVER."
Ahui was referring to the LDraw.org website distributing cloned parts. We
acknowledge there are other uses for the LDraw modeling system and will be
linking to them. But they're not 'Official LDraw.org' distributions,
they're third-party libraries. The LDraw.org parts library only includes
LEGO brand parts.
> > Ldraw DOES NOT put the 'lego' logo on your model. I believe that LDview and
> > L3PAO both provide the user with the option of putting this logo.
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> I don't know that LDview does this, at least I haven't noticed it in my
> version, but yes -- it does seem to be a L3PAO thing for sure. Both the
> "Lego" and "Ldraw" logos are created by different versions of L3PAO.
I believe that was a revision, to include LEGO over LDraw, after the issue
came up with LEGO, or after Jeff was made aware of it.
> Here again, I think that many people -- like yours truly here -- try to read
> as little documentation as possible. If the only thing that Level quality 3
> does is to add the "Lego" logo, perhaps it should be labelled better.
> What's more, I for one, would like the option of placing "LDraw" on those
> studs instead, as was possible in an earlier version of L3PAO. Admittedly,
> I don't know what's involved with achieving the next suggestion, but a
> modeler's initials might be a nice option too.
This is a suggestion appropriate for Jeff Boen, the author of L3PAO. It
might be clearer to understand if the option read 'Place "LEGO" on studs.'
(with disclaimer of course)
> I don't know their reasons any better than do you, but I am going to guess
> that they simply didn't wan't non-lego items being sold in their space.
> Wasn't Brickswest held at Legoland, CA?
The context of the original issue was this: I was getting the LDraw.org
logo approved by LEGO for display in their park. They claim a 'trade dress'
over 3D brick images, so I gladly made a compromise and had the current
fade-to-wireframe logo designed by a couple contributors. LEGO approved
that (versus a solid brick), and this logo is more representative of what
the LDraw system is.
We wanted to put LDraw on the studs, but when the attorney at LEGO saw this,
she disapproved and told me to either put 'LEGO' on the studs or leave them
blank. She said something to the effect of - if you are representing one of
our elements, represent it accurately. She approved the logo with LEGO
printed on the studs.
I do not believe (but IANAL) they can come against people who want to put
LDraw in the studs on their own renderings, nor do I think they'd come after
LDraw.org for there being that possibility in the options somewhere. It
might be worth asking.
> > LDraw is currenlty attemtpting for form itself into an OFFICAL ORGANIZATION.
> > The estate of the original creator of LDraw can at ANY TIME remove ldraw
> > from the public (not likely to happen) but can happen.
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> That should certainly be hashed out. It's not a small thing after all, and
> a lot of others have put in a lot of time besides.
The lag in the org formation is partially my fault, I am working on a draft
announcement which will outline the process of how we will discuss this
organization's formation. Anyone who wishes will be able to participate in
the discussion that will form the org.
> > WE WILL ONLY MAKE LEGO BRICKS!!!!!!! AGAIN WE WILL ONLY MAKE LEGO BRICKS!!!!!!
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> And some modelers have used LDraw to model household furniture plans, clone
> bricks, and even Knex. But yeah, okay, whatever...
The LDraw CAD system is rather versatile, yes. There is no issue with
people making clone bricks, or furniture plans, or anything else with the
tools. The only limitation that exists is the official library which
LDraw.org keeps will only include LEGO brand elements.
-Tim
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| <snip> (...) Again from what I have observered, if a user wants to place LDraw, LEGO, or even his initals or any other text on the stud of a virtual brick that is OKAY AS LONG AS your are NOT selling the image, putting it as a building instruction (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad)
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| (...) There was a recent post about creating a links page for non-standard uses of the LDraw format for clones and knex stuff: (URL) while they aren't proposing to distribute the files themselves, I don't see quite the vehemence implied by the (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad)
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