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| | | (...) I personally like the black edgelines more, because it is more likely the original instructions. And I think that this is the way to go. But it should not in any case be a real black edge. Sometimes I would prefer a more light-black, and (...) (16 years ago, 18-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Willy Tschager
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| | | | (...) I agree with you. These are the LDraw Core Colors with official LEGO RGBs Scott has worked on with a #1F1F1F edge I added for the test: (URL) You can do some tests yourself. Files are here: (URL) I'm not sure on the lighter edge for dark (...) (16 years ago, 19-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | (...) Why don't you use #000000 as the edge color? I think that looks OK even against the default black color (LDraw color 0), while the edge lines around the black in you image above are difficult to see. --Travis (16 years ago, 19-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | (2 URLs) So, you guys think that models look better with black edges? (16 years ago, 19-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | (...) Depends on the purpose :-) For instructions, the black lines make every part very obvious, while for a nice picture of the model, the softer lines look better (although the contrast in comparison2.jpg is *too* low - you can't see the parts at (...) (16 years ago, 19-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | (...) BTW, both these pictures look quite awful on my Windows CRT monitor with a gamma of 1.0. I had to copy them to my painting program and adjust the gamma correction to 2.60 before I realized that the engine in Comparison.jpg was gray/yellow, not (...) (16 years ago, 19-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah! That IS the problem with colors. You can adjust so many settings, that on an other monitor it looks completely different. I am using WinXP with a ATI Radeon 9250 and a TFT Benq monitor. So far I can see windows does not provide a (...) (16 years ago, 19-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | (...) I'd say "Definitely!" (...) settings) according to that page, and now I don't have to adjust gamma inside PaintShop Pro anymore! Unfortunately, the comparison2.jpg still shows black where it should show green, but I can't increase gamma or (...) (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) Maybe this is also an issue regarding the jpg file format. I have just loaded that picture file to the picture program "Paint.NET" and found with the color picker that the values for the green color is approx. R 4 - G 15 - B 9. That is realy (...) (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | (...) Definitely not! You should hear me and my wife 'quarrel' if a color is blue or green. We have very different perception of that border line... Only ~8% of males (< 1% for females) are red-green 'color blind', but that still means 1 out of 12 (...) (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | (...) Like me. Which is why I'm not a good person for making comments on the colours in this thread but am a good person to make comments about edge lines. Tim PS. It's 1 in 24 persons to be precise but I know what you mean ;) (16 years ago, 22-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Did you miss your morning coffee? :-) 1/12 = 0.08333... 1/24 = 0.04166... Or are you saying that only ~4% of the males are 'color blind'? Both Wikipedia (5-8%) and Swedish statistics (~8%) agree with the 8% figure, but you might live in a (...) (16 years ago, 22-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | (...) 'Persons' can be male or female so 1 in 12 of 1 in 2 are coloublind. AKA 1 in 24 ;) Tim (16 years ago, 23-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ahhh... The thought never entered my mind :-) Seems I'm the one that need more coffee - but not now, closing on bedtime here... Thanks for the correction and explanation! (16 years ago, 23-Nov-08, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | The color is not green, it is dark green: (URL) Scott (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, Dark Green is ok, but I think the values are too low. Scott, have you calibrated you systems where you have created your colors?(Please see my previous post) cu mikeheide (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) SNIP (...) The current LDConfig.ldr values in the MLCAD.cfg converted. You can download that mlcad.zip at (URL) (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | (...) The color values in the MLCAD.cfg files that I converted are not my creation. Most of these values come straight from The LEGO Group. A very few of them are from Peeron and one or two from Bricklink. The Dark_Green that you see is from TLG and (...) (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | (...) The intensity of a colour is usually given by I = 0.299R + 0.587G + 0.114B so your cutoff should be based on that rather than a simple mean. Tim (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) Hmmm ... where do these values come from? I changed the edge line using this calculation and used a 50% Gray for the lighter edge and pitch black for a dark edge (applied only to the first row, the rest is still #1F1F1F). IMHO it looks AWFUL (...) (16 years ago, 21-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | | (...) Yeah I agree that Gray and Dark_Gray only work on the very darkest of colors like Black or Dark_Brown. Unless someone wants to spend a lot of time customizing an edge for each color, I'd recommend setting a dividing break point at which to (...) (16 years ago, 21-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | | (...) If you use the above mentioned calculation, you get a color value that represents a gray color with the same brightness than the color itself. I also feel that the 50% value (127) is not a good value. It should be maybe at 40, if we do use a (...) (16 years ago, 21-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) SNIP (...) I just found an old thread thread that has also no solution to the question of the edge colors. (URL) I believe we have to found one now. I have found also other threads regarding this issue and I try to sum up: 1) Black is the (...) (16 years ago, 21-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) I like this proposal but I'd like to run a test file using the 52 threshold and try also different shades of gray first before diving into more detail. w. (16 years ago, 22-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) I set up a new LDConfig.ldr file in sync with the above. Check it out at the wiki: (URL) (16 years ago, 23-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | | | | (...) Hi Willy, Why so many colors defined in present ldconfig.ldr ((URL) are missing from your chart? Otherwise, I had a look at the defined colors (LDraw, 0 to 28), imho there is not enough contrast for brown (6) and Violet (22). These colors (...) (16 years ago, 24-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | | | (...) The file is "work in progress". Feel free to contribute. w. (16 years ago, 24-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Alex Taylor
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| | | | | | (...) Are we sure about the RGB values for the transparent colours? They look awfully washed-out to me :-( TrDkBlue in particular looks more like TrLtBlue. Alex (16 years ago, 9-Dec-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | (...) Good timing on your response. We are going through the transparent colors now. I also agree that the transparent colors look washed out. I believe that the RGB values are how they would appear on a white background, but they do not render well (...) (16 years ago, 9-Dec-08, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Jaco van der Molen
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| | | | Great stuff here with those colors. I've created a tutorial in Dutch for my homepage on how to use the new colors. Question: how do I get LPub (4.0.0.x) to work with these configuration files? (16 years ago, 20-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Opinions needed for Color and Edge Values —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | (...) If you use LDView as your renderer for LPub, make sure you have "Process ldconfig.ldr" set in LDView's General Preferences. Then, use an ldconfig.ldr file that has the colors you want. Willy posted one in this thread. The ldconfig.ldr file (...) (16 years ago, 21-Nov-08, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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