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| | | It's past time to get beyond debating the "why" of the color change (and especially haranguing Jake about it). I don't see any reason not to take Jake and the TLC at their word that the new colors work better with the core market at point of sale: (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.general, FTX) !!
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Richard Morton
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| | | | | "Ted Michon" <ted@scltc.org> wrote in message news:Hx9DrH.JCy@lugnet.com... (...) Jake (...) market (...) (and (...) who buy (...) know a (...) of (...) That's (...) that. (...) Coca (...) that (...) your (...) old (...) LEGO is (...) care or (...) (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) I have to agree with nearly all the sentiments expressed here. Jake is not personally at fault here and (note: my own unsubstantiated opinion) probably none too impressed by it all himself as he a is an AFOL as well as an employee. Thus going (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Daniel Warren
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| | | | | | (...) Absolutely, we have to help, not hinder! --member 1893 (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did well. Thanks!! —Aaron Muhl
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| | | | | Jake did well, not good. :) "Ted Michon" <ted@scltc.org> wrote in message news:Hx9DrH.JCy@lugnet.com... (...) Jake (...) market (...) (and (...) who buy (...) know a (...) of (...) That's (...) that. (...) Coca (...) that (...) your (...) old (...) (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did well. Thanks!! —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) I think the grammatical/linguistic error was done on purpose, as in 'the boy done good'! (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Marc Nelson, Jr.
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| | | | | (...) There's an excellent reason - (URL) this statement> by Jake himself: Keep in mind that the non-AFOL consumer (especially the kids on the boards) probably hasn't realized there IS a color change. Many of this year's products aren't out yet (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —J. Spencer Rezkalla
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| | | | | | (...) Why do kids have to actually note a color change between versions A & B for it to be a worthwhile product enhancement? Do most kids buy multiple copies of the same set and compare them? So what if the gray doesn't quite match their older (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Elroy Davis
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| | | | | | | (...) I wish people would stop talking about children like they are idiots. My 8 year-old *has* noticed the change, and she *has* asked me about it. She brought it to my attention, not the other way around. Does she buy multiple copies of the same (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Marc Nelson, Jr.
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| | | | | | (...) Why not change old gray to pink then? You are saying that kids don't care about color, but the color change was still an improvement? (...) I'm really not buying that the subtle, subliminal appeal of the new colors to kids will outweigh the (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Jeff Shiner
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| | | | | | | (...) I think you may be missing some subtilty in the argument here. My son may be a good example of this. He is definitely drawn to certain colours and exciting images when shopping. However... when building his own creations he does not seem to (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | (...) When I was young my Lego buddy was like this, colour didn't matter, it was the shape and technical abilities of the model he was interested in, for myself the colour was an important element in designing a model. I think Kids just vary. (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —J. Spencer Rezkalla
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| | | | | | (...) I didn't say children don't care about color or are incapable of noticing a color change. My response is to those who question: if the color change is really an improvement then why Lego doesn't hype the color change to their target market in (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Jeff Findley
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| | | | | | (...) 2004 Lego Harry Potter, Now with new, improved colors! That sounds silly. This is more like when food companies put dye in their products to make them look better. They don't tell the customer outright, but if you look carefully at the (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Felix Greco
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| | | | | (...) I agree whole-heartedly. I have my issues with the company's direction and some of the decisions they make. But the fact is, I'm not sitting in their meetings and I don't have the information they have. We can all keep ranting about how we (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, I'm not being that magnanamous. I don't like the color change and if ranting or anything else might get it reversed I will rant. My point was rather that I can't understand why people are questioning that TLC's reasons as given by (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, there are several levels of truth to be considered in this context. 1. The information is "true" insofar as it accurately reflects the motivations and goals of TLG 2. The information is "true" insofar as it is "truly" the information (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Yep. If I thought ranting and carrying on would increase our influence in the company rather than diminish it, or would be likely to reverse the change, I'd be out there ranting too. (...) Agreed. Jake started out as in charge of some aspects (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | | Hello! (...) You are right, this term is highly questionable. I like building with LEGO bricks and collecting LEGO sets. But I am not a "fan of LEGO" because - following TLC's corporate identity statement on www.lego.com - "it is not possible to (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | | (...) I keep on agreeing with Jojo! I've gone from being a supporter of the company to merely a supporter of their product now (as a result of the colour change). -Bryan (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | I hate to say it, but ditto. While I support Lego-the-product, LEGO-the-company does NOT have my support. I have bought 23 2004 sets to date, and 20 of those had all bley instantly added to my BL shop. I only bought 22 of the 21 to get 11 of the (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well if anyone's keeping track, I've purchased ONE set (MINI Star Destroyer) with the new colours so far. It was cheap and for a specific part (ironic thing is that the part was in new light grey). Opening this set was so difficult - not (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Paulo Renato
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, glad to see i'm not alone (for a change...). I agree 100% with you both (and with Ted Michon as well). This color change might be not reversible (1). So will not be my feelings about TLC. I'm very disappointed with this unexcusable color (...) (21 years ago, 11-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Michael DeRosa
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| | | | | | | (...) Now that you mention it, that's just how I feel as well. The product is still fantastic despite the poorly selected new shades of classic colors, but the company can no longer be trusted to maintain any of the values that make the lego system (...) (21 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke
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| | | | | | (...) You are so right Jojo.... I do not like the company for bringing us the blueish greys and I even do not like the products from 2004 (and future ones). As long as they come in wrong colours I stop buying anything new. I only bought the mini ISD (...) (21 years ago, 9-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) Hi Ben - Please continue to express your opinion in the new newsgroup, lugnet.color [1]. I've set the follow-ups for this post to that group. Thanks! -Tim [1] (URL) (21 years ago, 9-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.color)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? — Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Hi Ben, Good news -- there's brand new group, just created today, for the focused discussion of LEGO colors. Here's the announcement: (URL) to single you out; just noticing this while checking back in and seeing Tim's reply. I realize it'll (...) (21 years ago, 9-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.color) !
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Jake McKee
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| | | | | | (...) Wow. Not really sure how to respond to this. It took me quite a while to decide whether or not to reply to this post, but it's hard not to take something like this personally. Make no mistake, my role is a dual one - to take the AFOL needs to (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.color) !
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Cary Clark
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| | | | | | | (...) ... (...) Jake, I too am very disappointed in LEGO as of late. But it is more than the subject-that-must-no...-newsgroup that concerns me. Here are some outstanding issues that have never been addressed to my knowledge by you or anyone else at (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.general) !!
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Thomas Main
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Cary Clark wrote: <snip> (...) Spotlighted. I would also like to hear some official response to the many valid points raised in this post. I hope it doesn't get lost in this thread. -- Thomas Main thomasmain@myrealbox.com (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good - Other Quality Issues —Mark Bellis
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | | | (...) Oh, man, is that scary! I used to think is was bad enough that a 2 foot stack of Duplo misaligned with a similar height stack of LEGO by 1/16 inch, but THIS IS HORRIBLE! I hold out the hope that this was a manufacturing glitch (I could imagine (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Dave Lovelace
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| | | | | | (...) from TLC itself. How sad it is to read posts like this now: depressing, self-defensive posts that you have been made to feel compelled to write. How low some people have gone; how much for granted your presence, input, and output has been (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | (...) As much as I'd like to agree, I guess that if Jake likes the new color and the new Minifig flesh heads, then he should have asked for someone else to do the job, since he can't defend an opinion he doesn't share as well as his own position. (...) (21 years ago, 9-May-04, to lugnet.color, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Derek Schin
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| | | | | | (...) OK...Terry, I don't know if I've ever met you at a Fest, or talked to you anywhere or anything, but I'm going to say something here that if you have met me, you'll know that I mean this with the utmost respect: You're either more emotional (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Eric Sophie
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| | | | | | (...) 'sho nuff. (URL) e (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I'm NOT EVEN GOING TO ASK why you're posting pics of your mom in lugnet.color (1), especially since it's likely to draw unwanted attention from Mr. Goldman (2) to her, are you sure you actually want that? So let me just give that "'sho nuff" a (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Eric Sophie
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| | | | | | | ha ha ok. e (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) I sure hope she's prepared for the consequences of that! *ahem* (both Eric and Lar should know what I'm talking about, Kelly knows too, and many of the Mecha folk) XFUT -> o-t.fun -Tim (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good Thanks!! —Eric Sophie
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| | | | | | wait, are you talking about my Mom? ;) e :P (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | Hi Tim, (...) Ben did not necessarily express an opinion focused towards the colour issue. So I think posting this in .general is also appropriate. Bye Jojo (21 years ago, 9-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) If you read the text of Ben's post, I don't see how it can be interpreted as anything *but* a continued commentary on the issue of the color change. FUT set back to lugnet.color. -Tim (21 years ago, 9-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I agree with Tim, and even if the post was broadly about the LEGO company and Ben's feelings about that rather than mostly about color, it still doesn't belong in .general... that sort of thing belongs in the .lego hierarchy somewhere. And (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | (...) -snip- (...) Well played, Jake. Well played. Let me say that I trust you completely to present AFOL interests to the company. -Lenny (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Eric Sophie
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| | | | | | (...) yes, that was heavy. Good job. e P.S. I'll bet some plates that no one knows how "I" feel about the new colors and the old ones going awayish. :P (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | (...) [snip] (...) Well said, Jake. Thanks for your continued commitment to the community, despite the fact that it is sometimes a thankless job. I'm behind you. -Tim (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Benjamin Ellermann
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| | | | | Hi Jake, I believe that you have kept your own personal opinions separate from working with the afol community. One of your strengths is the ability to do this. I guess some fans that have talked to you know your personal opinions on colors, certain (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Yaron Dori
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| | | | | Jake, we are 100% behind you. We can't begin to thank you enough for the things you are trying to do for us and we understand that it's not that easy. We know it can be diffcult to be the middleman who get shouts from allover, frankly we couldn't (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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| | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke
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| | | | (...) Hello Jake, some of my recent messages have been written under - let me call it - emotional stress. I knew, part of it could be understood as hurting personally, on the other hand the colour change is a topic that hurts me daily more. I kept (...) (21 years ago, 11-May-04, to lugnet.color) !
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| | | | | | Re: Jake did good? —Paulo Renato
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| | | | Hello Ben, I don't want to interfere between you and Jake. This post is only about some of the things you said about Lego and LEGO. It's not about any other considerations. First i would like to express my solidarity to you. I fully understand you (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.color)
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