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Re: wish's
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Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:33:35 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Calum Tsang wrote:
> First, this has nothing to do with rtlToronto. Some of our members may
> dislike Larry, some may like him. In general, the sentiment up here
> tends to lean to the former from what I can tell. Regardless, it has
> nothing to do with the group officially. Like all these administrators
> who feel they can take the hat on and off, Chris's Contest is with the
> hat off, defintely.
I guess he took the gloves off too.
> That said, Chris can do whatever he wants in his posting of of such a
> contest. Is it hurting Lugnet? Perhaps. Are the administrators in
> question hurting Lugnet? I defintely can see that.
In your own words, why do you see it that way?
> These past few weeks, I've been requested to move rtlToronto completely
> off of Lugnet, an action I don't want to do, because I think Lugnet is
> THE center of the AFOL community when it comes to discussion. I've
> heard comments to the effect of "this is censorship" or "this is the end
> of Lugnet" or "just wait until these crazy religious 'let's save the
> children' Americans take over". Some of the members here don't feel
> comfortable with being on Lugnet anymore, and that's directly due to the
> actions of the administration in place.
Is cross-posting creating problems? If it is, we could set the "can't
crosspost to" bit on .org.ca.rtltoronto, which would mediate the amount
of leakage into and from other groups. I don't know if that's actually
been a problem for you, but please let me know if you think it would help
things.
Since .rtltornoto is in the .org hierarchy, you can basically set your own
rules as to what's conventional and what appropriate in the group, so long
as LUGNET's Terms of Use are minded. If people are breaking the ToU left
and right, then that's obviously a problem, and my first wish would be that
the group could self-police.
> What do you want us to do? This is Chris' attempt at regime change.
I don't think regime change is the answer. I think the system is broken,
rather than those serving under it. Something here is bringing out the
worst in everyone recently. Some improvements have been suggested and
are under serious consideration, but those do not include booting out
members of the admin team.
To me, Chris's attempt was also a very personal attack, one which I hope
that he, in time, finds the inner strength to apologize for. I don't
expect you to necessarily agree, but in my experience, postures such as
Chris's are more harmful in the long run than helpful. I don't believe
that Chris's intention was to inflict LUGNET with a wound, but I do feel
the wound and I don't think it will truly heal without Chris's help.
> Offer us a better solution if you don't think this one is appropriate.
Without getting into peoples' names or positions, what problem are we
seeking to solve? I mean in the big picture, not just events of the past
three days.
--Todd
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| (...) Hi Todd, Here's why I see that certain administrators are hurting Lugnet: They're operating in the shadows and there's no transparency to the process. The rules aren't clearly defined, so there's a lot of murkiness as to how they operate. (...) (19 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) First, this has nothing to do with rtlToronto. Some of our members may dislike Larry, some may like him. In general, the sentiment up here tends to lean to the former from what I can tell. Regardless, it has nothing to do with the group (...) (19 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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