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		Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) K, first I'm Canadian. I may have issues with the moronic policies of your appointed leader, but I couldn't give a flying fig as to who your leader is--if he does right, I don't care. (...) I never ever said otherwise--SH lied, He has (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) I have seen too many stupidly drunk people (mostly relatives) to even want to bother with alcohol. That and the smell of beer make me nauseous. (...) You know I think 99.9 percent of the time we all agree on the desired result, the (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Big stick diplomacy is not the same as "diplomacy". Without strength, diplomacy is impotent, as Larry pointed out. One cannot negotiate from a position of weakness. That is why having a strong America is so good for the world-- because of the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Of course it is. The implied threat of force in disputes of this nature is part of the diplomacy. It is not a simplistic, "Do as ah sez or I'll hurt youz real bad," - unless you are incompetent, that is, or simply bent on war ("Violence is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Fight this war now before our ill-equiped childeren have to do so. While we're sending our kids to dance lessons and soccer practice, they're having their kids bow down to hate americans and teaching pre-teens to fire automatic weapons. I'm (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Okay, I was thinking in terms of major global conflicts, such as war. More specifically, I'm looking for examples of diplomacy effectively dealing with an aggressor (nation or entity). JOHN (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) What does diplomacy accomplish? I mean really? Please cite examples of diplomacy working anywhere in the world, but not, of course, "diplomacy" conducted in surrender agreements. The fact is that "diplomacy" is merely a synonym for (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) But we did blink, if not quite as hard and fast. That's the whole point. Both sides had escalated the confrontation to the point that neither saw a way out, but continuing it was too horrifying for words. Only through diplomacy was the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Huh?? Defused through us blockading Cuba and threatening to go to war if the missiles weren't removed, then refusing to blink. That would be more like it, I would say. Diplomacy was only the communication channel, not the defuser. Oh, and (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Cuban Missle Crisis. Defused through diplomacy. Both sides got something they wanted. Perceptually Kruschev lost, and was deposed eventually because of it. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Are you honestly trying to say that diplomacy is universally and always unsuccessful in all cases everywhere on the planet? That nothing has ever been accomplished by diplomacy? You may wish to modify your statement or at least limit its (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Why is it the job of the US to bring justice to the world? (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Standard of living in Iraq is now 50% below what it was pre Saddam. Could it get worse if we "lost the peace"? Sure. Do I trust Bush to do a good job? No. What if the UN and the IMF/World Bank are involved? Even worse. So, no win situation. (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Let's attack this point by point. 1. If you're going to accuse Saddam of murders he has not yet committed, then you absolutely must provide evidence that he will do so. Since you're proposing some sort of comparision between the relative (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Can you elaborate on that? Although we haven't won the peace yet, that war was won pretty decisively, contrary to what the naysayers predicted. (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Also, the Morrocan "affairs", in 1904 and 1907, between Germany and France. Things were hot back then (for the time standards, that is). Pedro (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Well, my def'n of 'we' woudn't necessarily be "the US", for then it woudn't be we, as in me... but I digress... ;) I was thinking more along the lines of "if we (as in 'civilized society' whether it be the UN, or such other institution) see (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) So I'm asking with all seriousness and no veil of ulterior motive--what do we do? Justice must prevail, if we are to hold to our own ideals. How do we achieve justice in this situation? Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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