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frogleap wrote:
> Hello,
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> Here is a french BB62400 in blue color that is normally used for freight trains
> and mostly in multiple units.
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> <<http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/frogleap/Trains/BB62400/bb62400_1.jpg>>
That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
> It is made in 6 stud width with many simplifications.
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> Some but few SNOT in it, and with the help of Erik Amzallag the small windows of
> the cabin are placed with less than a stud width. Here is a small .ldr file
> (<http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/frogleap/Trains/BB62400/fenetrebb62400.ldr>)
> to help you catch the trick.
Thanks for the LDRAWing of that technique. It is a really neat
technique. Also, I am glad you pointed it out on the model. It works so
well that I would have completely missed that there was something
special about that forward facing window!
> See pictures of the real one
> (<http://www.train-rail.com/materiel/motrices/diesel/bb_62400/>) in situation.
>
> Thanks for comments,
>
> Philippe "frogleap" Label, FreeLUG member
Thanks for sharing,
Chris
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Hello,
Thank you to all contributors for the feed-back.
In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi wrote:
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That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
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Chris, well... the top is quite desert :) Because I have no idea from the
pictures I could get what was happening up there. From the side drawing obtained
from the web site I mentioned earlier I can only guess that there should be the
exhaust pipe in the middle of the engine and some thicker thing in front of
the locomotive. See that drawing for the same guess :
By the way, I finally ended-up with the same BB62400 in 6 studs wide but with
its yellow & grey livery. The shape is roughly the same as the blue one, but I
got some problems to render the bicolor front on the engine. Here is the result.
Comments are welcome.
James, about the side windows trick, as already mentioned the solution was
provided by Erik Amzallag. I will forward your congratulations to him. Thanks
again.
Jan-Albert, I have quite few informations about this locomotive, I think there
was only one version of the blue one, and the yellow&grey is much more frequent.
I also remember that French SNCF bought back these engines from Dutch railways
to operate on freight trains. These locomotives seems to be very longlasting on
duty.
As you can notice, I also tried to improve a little bit the colors of the
pictures, thanks to software treatment since I wont invest in a professional
imaging equipment :). Id rather put my money to buy bricks !
Cheers,
Philippe frogleap Label, FreeLUG member
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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Hello,
Thank you to all contributors for the feed-back.
In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi wrote:
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That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
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Chris, well... the top is quite desert :) Because I have no idea from the
pictures I could get what was happening up there. From the side drawing
obtained from the web site I mentioned earlier I can only guess that there
should be the exhaust pipe in the middle of the engine and some thicker
thing in front of the locomotive. See that drawing for the same guess :
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Looks like fans on the left end, and the exhaust in the middle. You have taken
such care on details, Philippe-- why squish it to 6 wide? From the proto pics,
it appears the the body wants to be 8 wide, and the nose 5 wide. There are
quite wide walkways that simply arent convincingly recreated in 6 wide IMO.
But of course, if you decided to lock yourself into 6 wide from the beginning,
Id understand. It is a very nice MOC and the loco reminds me of an
EMD
GP9.
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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Hello,
Thank you to all contributors for the feed-back.
In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi wrote:
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That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
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Chris, well... the top is quite desert :) Because I have no idea from the
pictures I could get what was happening up there. From the side drawing
obtained from the web site I mentioned earlier I can only guess that there
should be the exhaust pipe in the middle of the engine and some thicker
thing in front of the locomotive. See that drawing for the same guess :
By the way, I finally ended-up with the same BB62400 in 6 studs wide but with
its yellow & grey livery. The shape is roughly the same as the blue one, but
I got some problems to render the bicolor front on the engine. Here is the
result. Comments are welcome.
James, about the side windows trick, as already mentioned the solution was
provided by Erik Amzallag. I will forward your congratulations to him. Thanks
again.
Jan-Albert, I have quite few informations about this locomotive, I think
there was only one version of the blue one, and the yellow&grey is much more
frequent. I also remember that French SNCF bought back these engines from
Dutch railways to operate on freight trains. These locomotives seems to be
very longlasting on duty.
As you can notice, I also tried to improve a little bit the colors of the
pictures, thanks to software treatment since I wont invest in a professional
imaging equipment :). Id rather put my money to buy bricks !
Cheers,
Philippe frogleap Label, FreeLUG member
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Philippe,
the model looks great, I even like the yellow and grey better then the blue one.
Those windows kick booty. 6wide is fine by me, saves on brick and itll fit on
any layout. Although I would concider moving the handrails out a bit, making the
engine 7 wide overall.
Mat
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Hello all,
In lugnet.trains, Mathew Clayson wrote:
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the model looks great, I even like the yellow and grey better then the blue
one. Those windows kick booty. 6wide is fine by me, saves on brick and itll
fit on any layout. Although I would concider moving the handrails out a bit,
making the engine 7 wide overall.
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Again great feedbacks from many persons, thanks to you all. This discussion
improves a lot how I can do with buiding MOCs.
John, I surely like to build in 6 wide, I also went to look into 7 wide. But for
8 wide, I have a major problem with the room left for motorization of
switchpoints, so I try to avoid for playability reasons mainly. These are just
simple reasons related to that never ending discussion about doing modelling
with bricks or playing with trains... :) and all the logical combinations you
can imagine with these words :) I dont want to flame on this point at all.
Jeroen, Thanks for your pictures, finally I found one showing the top from the
link you provided.
Mathew, going to 7 wide would give a big problem to handle these handrails. The
geometrical solution could be to go to 8 or 9 wide, but for reasons explained
above, this is a scale I try to avoid. Too complicated for my small brain :) If
you have imagined a solution to do so in 7 wide, Ill be very happy to share it.
This point deserves a comment: the real issue to me is how to dither a
continuous 3D form with limited size bricks? If we increase the size of the
final shape, of course the dithering will be smoother. am I right?
Finally, Erik Amzallag, again helped me with the nose of the yellow-grey loco.
Here is his solution, slightly modified by me just to enhance the mecanical
resistance of the build.
This is be compared to the previous version show before. You will notice that
the 2x2 grey tiles on sides of the nose align much better this way.
The .ldr file to catch the trick is available,
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chezfilou/FichiersTelechargement/avantBB6plus_solide.ldr
this also complements the discussion developped with Didier Enjary and Jason
Railton. Again thanks to all of you for this interesting buzz :)
Philippe frogleap Label, FreeLUG member
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Philippe "frogleap" Label wrote:
> Mathew, going to 7 wide would give a big problem to handle these
> handrails. The geometrical solution could be to go to 8 or 9 wide, but for
> reasons explained above, this is a scale I try to avoid. Too complicated
> for my small brain :) If you have imagined a solution to do so in 7 wide,
> I'll be very happy to share it. This point deserves a comment: the real
> issue to me is how to "dither" a continuous 3D form with limited size
> bricks? If we increase the size of the final shape, of course the
> dithering will be smoother. am I right?
I also faced some challenges and decided to use the old style railings,
although no yellow-grey engines ever had the short style ;)
See http://www.vanree.net/fotoalbum/javanree/lego/iscc4/tn/11.jpg.html for a
detail shot of the short nose.
--
Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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John, I surely like to build in 6 wide, I also went to look into 7 wide. But
for 8 wide, I have a major problem with the room left for motorization of
switchpoints, so I try to avoid for playability reasons mainly.
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That is a perfectly legitimate reason, and I can certainly respect that!
Play On!
JOHN
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