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Hello,
Here is a french BB62400 in blue color that is normally used for freight trains
and mostly in multiple units.
Sorry for the colors, it should be classic blue, but looks like Maersk blue just
because the image is too yellow.
It is made in 6 stud width with many simplifications.
Some but few SNOT in it, and with the help of Erik Amzallag the small windows of
the cabin are placed with less than a stud width. Here is a small .ldr file
(http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/frogleap/Trains/BB62400/fenetrebb62400.ldr)
to help you catch the trick.
See pictures of the real one
(http://www.train-rail.com/materiel/motrices/diesel/bb_62400/) in situation.
Thanks for comments,
Philippe “frogleap” Label, FreeLUG member
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frogleap wrote:
> Here is a french BB62400 in blue color that is normally used for freight
> trains and mostly in multiple units.
>
> Sorry for the colors, it should be classic blue, but looks like Maersk
> blue just because the image is too yellow.
> It is made in 6 stud width with many simplifications.
> See pictures of the real one
> (<http://www.train-rail.com/materiel/motrices/diesel/bb_62400/>) in
> situation.
Great work, nice to see you managed to do this in 6 wide!
I did mine in 7 to get the cab to stick out a bit more.
BTW these are ex-Dutch diesel engines (built in France though by Alsthom,
guess the circle is complete!), there was only one blue engine painted back
specially for the Classic 2400 Tour farewell in 1991.
And thanks for the link, nice to see the old engines are still going strong!
--
Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/
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frogleap wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here is a french BB62400 in blue color that is normally used for freight trains
> and mostly in multiple units.
[snip]
> <<http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/frogleap/Trains/BB62400/bb62400_1.jpg>>
That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
> It is made in 6 stud width with many simplifications.
>
> Some but few SNOT in it, and with the help of Erik Amzallag the small windows of
> the cabin are placed with less than a stud width. Here is a small .ldr file
> (<http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/frogleap/Trains/BB62400/fenetrebb62400.ldr>)
> to help you catch the trick.
Thanks for the LDRAWing of that technique. It is a really neat
technique. Also, I am glad you pointed it out on the model. It works so
well that I would have completely missed that there was something
special about that forward facing window!
> See pictures of the real one
> (<http://www.train-rail.com/materiel/motrices/diesel/bb_62400/>) in situation.
>
> Thanks for comments,
>
> Philippe "frogleap" Label, FreeLUG member
Thanks for sharing,
Chris
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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Here is a french BB62400 in blue color that is normally used for freight
trains and mostly in multiple units.
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Philippe,
That window trick is really clever. Thanks for showing it. Well done.
later,
James Mathis
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Hello,
Thank you to all contributors for the feed-back.
In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi wrote:
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That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
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Chris, well... the top is quite desert :) Because I have no idea from the
pictures I could get what was happening up there. From the side drawing obtained
from the web site I mentioned earlier I can only guess that there should be the
exhaust pipe in the middle of the engine and some thicker “thing” in front of
the locomotive. See that drawing for the same guess :
By the way, I finally ended-up with the same BB62400 in 6 studs wide but with
its yellow & grey livery. The shape is roughly the same as the blue one, but I
got some problems to render the bicolor front on the engine. Here is the result.
Comments are welcome.
James, about the side windows trick, as already mentioned the solution was
provided by Erik Amzallag. I will forward your congratulations to him. Thanks
again.
Jan-Albert, I have quite few informations about this locomotive, I think there
was only one version of the blue one, and the yellow&grey is much more frequent.
I also remember that French SNCF bought back these engines from Dutch railways
to operate on freight trains. These locomotives seems to be very longlasting on
duty.
As you can notice, I also tried to improve a little bit the colors of the
pictures, thanks to software treatment since I won’t invest in a professional
imaging equipment :). I’d rather put my money to buy bricks !
Cheers,
Philippe “frogleap” Label, FreeLUG member
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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Hello,
Thank you to all contributors for the feed-back.
In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi wrote:
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That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
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Chris, well... the top is quite desert :) Because I have no idea from the
pictures I could get what was happening up there. From the side drawing
obtained from the web site I mentioned earlier I can only guess that there
should be the exhaust pipe in the middle of the engine and some thicker
“thing” in front of the locomotive. See that drawing for the same guess :
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Looks like fans on the left end, and the exhaust in the middle. You have taken
such care on details, Philippe-- why squish it to 6 wide? From the proto pics,
it appears the the body “wants” to be 8 wide, and the nose 5 wide. There are
quite wide walkways that simply aren’t convincingly recreated in 6 wide IMO.
But of course, if you decided to lock yourself into 6 wide from the beginning,
I’d understand. It is a very nice MOC and the loco reminds me of an
EMD
GP9.
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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Hello,
Thank you to all contributors for the feed-back.
In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi wrote:
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That is great. I like the view from the minifig perspective, but I am
left wondering, what is happening on top of the model :)
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Chris, well... the top is quite desert :) Because I have no idea from the
pictures I could get what was happening up there. From the side drawing
obtained from the web site I mentioned earlier I can only guess that there
should be the exhaust pipe in the middle of the engine and some thicker
“thing” in front of the locomotive. See that drawing for the same guess :
By the way, I finally ended-up with the same BB62400 in 6 studs wide but with
its yellow & grey livery. The shape is roughly the same as the blue one, but
I got some problems to render the bicolor front on the engine. Here is the
result. Comments are welcome.
James, about the side windows trick, as already mentioned the solution was
provided by Erik Amzallag. I will forward your congratulations to him. Thanks
again.
Jan-Albert, I have quite few informations about this locomotive, I think
there was only one version of the blue one, and the yellow&grey is much more
frequent. I also remember that French SNCF bought back these engines from
Dutch railways to operate on freight trains. These locomotives seems to be
very longlasting on duty.
As you can notice, I also tried to improve a little bit the colors of the
pictures, thanks to software treatment since I won’t invest in a professional
imaging equipment :). I’d rather put my money to buy bricks !
Cheers,
Philippe “frogleap” Label, FreeLUG member
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Philippe,
the model looks great, I even like the yellow and grey better then the blue one.
Those windows kick booty. 6wide is fine by me, saves on brick and it’ll fit on
any layout. Although I would concider moving the handrails out a bit, making the
engine 7 wide overall.
Mat
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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Bonjour Philippe et Erik
This technique incredibly rich !!
1. Use of the 1x1 Technic brick for SNOT orientation needed for the 0.4 stud gap
by the plate. In fact not a plate but a 2x2 corner plate because the stud is a
bit higher than 0.2 studs as underline here
http://www.iltco.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album35&id=Slide08
2. Use of Erling Brick for :
- an additional 0.2 stud gap (total : 0.6 stud gap)
- SNOT back to stud up !
- and SNOT for the tile on the side.
The tile on the side (2 studs) perfectly fit the Erling brick width (0.8studs) +
clear 1x1 brick eighth (1,2 studs)
3. The top can not be fitted with a plate but is perfectly fitted by a 1x2 tile
which does not have a tube. The tile is slightly sliped on the side which
represent an offset technique (undocumented AFAIK)
This is quite amazing but the truth is that Erik created this trick for Philipe
in less than 5 minutes !!!! What is your secret Erik ?
Could we imagine a way to automatically create SNOT/Offset tricks ?....
Philippe, about the engine, I know your love for 6studs (;-D) and an odd width
may seems more appropriate. But the constraint (6 studs) leads to very creative
technique so it’s a very good choice.
FUT to build.schleim
Didier
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In lugnet.trains, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
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frogleap wrote:
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Here is a french BB62400 in blue color that is normally used for freight
trains and mostly in multiple units.
Sorry for the colors, it should be classic blue, but looks like Maersk
blue just because the image is too yellow.
It is made in 6 stud width with many simplifications.
See pictures of the real one
(http://www.train-rail.com/materiel/motrices/diesel/bb_62400/) in
situation.
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Great work, nice to see you managed to do this in 6 wide!
I did mine in 7 to get the cab to stick out a bit more.
BTW these are ex-Dutch diesel engines (built in France though by Alsthom,
guess the circle is complete!), there was only one blue engine painted back
specially for the Classic 2400 Tour farewell in 1991.
And thanks for the link, nice to see the old engines are still going strong!
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I found a couple of pictures from above:
The 2nd picture shows the new french livery with lightgray, darkgray and red
with yellow fronts. This yellow is brighter than the dutch yellow.
On the right
is 662432 (being repainted in the new livery)
On the left are:
662424 (still in gray/yellow dutch livery)
662403 (in the new livery)
662413 (in the new livery, yes this was the blue one!!!!)
662502 (in the new livery)
Niels
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Hello Niels,
In lugnet.trains, Niels Karsdorp wrote:
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I found a couple of pictures from above:
The 2nd picture shows the new french livery with lightgray, darkgray and red
with yellow fronts. This yellow is brighter than the dutch yellow.
On the
right is 662432 (being repainted in the new livery)
On the left are:
662424 (still in gray/yellow dutch livery)
662403 (in the new livery)
662413 (in the new livery, yes this was the blue one!!!!)
662502 (in the new livery)
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Thanks for these accurate pictures. Now I have to try to render the new
livery... a terrible challenge :)
Philippe “frogleap” Label
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Hello all,
In lugnet.trains, Mathew Clayson wrote:
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the model looks great, I even like the yellow and grey better then the blue
one. Those windows kick booty. 6wide is fine by me, saves on brick and it’ll
fit on any layout. Although I would concider moving the handrails out a bit,
making the engine 7 wide overall.
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Again great feedbacks from many persons, thanks to you all. This discussion
improves a lot how I can do with buiding MOCs.
John, I surely like to build in 6 wide, I also went to look into 7 wide. But for
8 wide, I have a major problem with the room left for motorization of
switchpoints, so I try to avoid for playability reasons mainly. These are just
simple reasons related to that never ending discussion about doing modelling
with bricks or playing with trains... :) and all the logical combinations you
can imagine with these words :) I don’t want to flame on this point at all.
Jeroen, Thanks for your pictures, finally I found one showing the top from the
link you provided.
Mathew, going to 7 wide would give a big problem to handle these handrails. The
geometrical solution could be to go to 8 or 9 wide, but for reasons explained
above, this is a scale I try to avoid. Too complicated for my small brain :) If
you have imagined a solution to do so in 7 wide, I’ll be very happy to share it.
This point deserves a comment: the real issue to me is how to “dither” a
continuous 3D form with limited size bricks? If we increase the size of the
final shape, of course the dithering will be smoother. am I right?
Finally, Erik Amzallag, again helped me with the “nose” of the yellow-grey loco.
Here is his solution, slightly modified by me just to enhance the mecanical
resistance of the build.
This is be compared to the previous version show before. You will notice that
the 2x2 grey tiles on sides of the “nose” align much better this way.
The .ldr file to catch the trick is available,
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chezfilou/FichiersTelechargement/avantBB6plus_solide.ldr
this also complements the discussion developped with Didier Enjary and Jason
Railton. Again thanks to all of you for this interesting buzz :)
Philippe “frogleap” Label, FreeLUG member
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Philippe "frogleap" Label wrote:
> Mathew, going to 7 wide would give a big problem to handle these
> handrails. The geometrical solution could be to go to 8 or 9 wide, but for
> reasons explained above, this is a scale I try to avoid. Too complicated
> for my small brain :) If you have imagined a solution to do so in 7 wide,
> I'll be very happy to share it. This point deserves a comment: the real
> issue to me is how to "dither" a continuous 3D form with limited size
> bricks? If we increase the size of the final shape, of course the
> dithering will be smoother. am I right?
I also faced some challenges and decided to use the old style railings,
although no yellow-grey engines ever had the short style ;)
See http://www.vanree.net/fotoalbum/javanree/lego/iscc4/tn/11.jpg.html for a
detail shot of the short nose.
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Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/
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In lugnet.trains, Philippe Label wrote:
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John, I surely like to build in 6 wide, I also went to look into 7 wide. But
for 8 wide, I have a major problem with the room left for motorization of
switchpoints, so I try to avoid for playability reasons mainly.
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That is a perfectly legitimate reason, and I can certainly respect that!
Play On!
JOHN
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