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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Ed McGlynn wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Guys,
Thanks for the potential builds.
Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown train
windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the new 1x1
slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
later,
James Mathis
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James,
Just finished building the trolley. I used Blue in place of Tan (windows), White
in place of Grey (roof), Dark Bley in place of Brown (doors),and Grey in place
of Red (ends, etc). I have found one problem. The ends of the roof, the parts
that are on the 3 X 3 plate with round corner are attached to each other with
the vertical 1 X 4 tile but to nothing else so the unit will slide off the roof.
Hope this description makes sense.
Thanks,
Bruce
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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Just finished building the trolley. I used Blue in place of Tan (windows),
White in place of Grey (roof), Dark Bley in place of Brown (doors),and Grey
in place of Red (ends, etc). I have found one problem. The ends of the roof,
the parts that are on the 3 X 3 plate with round corner are attached to each
other with the vertical 1 X 4 tile but to nothing else so the unit will slide
off the roof. Hope this description makes sense.
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Bruce,
How, wow! Thanks for building this trolley.
I’ll definitely check out the roof issue. Now, I will try to model it your
livery.
Thank you very much.
later,
James Mathis
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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Just finished building the trolley. I used Blue in place of Tan (windows),
White in place of Grey (roof), Dark Bley in place of Brown (doors),and Grey
in place of Red (ends, etc). I have found one problem. The ends of the roof,
the parts that are on the 3 X 3 plate with round corner are attached to each
other with the vertical 1 X 4 tile but to nothing else so the unit will
slide off the roof. Hope this description makes sense.
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Bruce,
How, wow! Thanks for building this trolley.
I’ll definitely check out the roof issue. Now, I will try to model it your
livery.
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Since that little 1x1 slope is so hard to come by in gray, may I be so bold to
suggest a solution that eliminates those elements and binds the 3x3 rounded
plates as well-- use this piece along the
side of the ends of the roof instead (although it is rather rare itself in
gray...)
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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I have found one problem.
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Hey Bruce-
I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white ambassador
trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail in
Step 6 here. We found
that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus preventing
a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
this piece, attached the train rail to
that and called it a day:-)
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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I have found one problem.
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<snip>
Hey Bruce-
I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white
ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail
in Step 6 here. We
found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus
preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
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IIRC, it’s only a negligible distance. The attachment is reasonably secure. But
it can be enough to bother you if you’re a stickler for details. (I know I am!)
Legoswami
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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I have found one problem.
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<snip>
Hey Bruce-
I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white
ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail
in Step 6 here. We
found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus
preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
this piece, attached the train rail
to that and called it a day:-)
JOHN
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John,
I didn’t notice this at the time, but when you point it out and I put the pieces
together in my head, I can see you are right. I am going to have to take it
appart and check if this affects the fit of the other parts.
Thanks,
Bruce
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white
ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail
in Step 6 here. We
found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus
preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
this piece, attached the train rail
to that and called it a day:-)
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John,
Thanks for catching this fault in the construction.
I failed to notice this error. And, I don’t like it. Rather embarrassing.
Maybe this alternate
construction will work using 1x1 headlamp bricks (one stud on the side).
And, Bruce found this
solution for fixing the attachment of the front roof.
later,
James Mathis
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James Mathis wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
> > I began building a version of James' trolley (mine shall be a white
> > {ambassador trolley}) and found an issue attaching the upside down
> > train rail in
> > <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1230549 Step 6
> > here>. We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs
> > from the <http://peeron.com/inv/parts/4263 this technic element>
> > touched, thus preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to
> > be the case?
> >
> > (To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
> > <http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/32063 this piece>, attached the
> > train rail to that and called it a day:-)
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> John,
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> Thanks for catching this fault in the construction.
> I failed to notice this error. And, I don't like it. Rather
> embarrassing.
I've seen many a construction get bitten by the fact that a stud is ever so
slightly taller than 1/2 plate (and it's the stud itself, not the logo - my
simple test for height differences is to match two pieces and then run my
fingernail across, if it gets caught, there's a height difference).
Does LDraw correctly model the height of the stud? Of course you wouldn't
necessarily notice the error even then.
Frank
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
lol I’m telling you that there are dangers to virtual building! :-)
Well, I putzed around with it a little, but I am siccing Ross on the project and
told him to have at it, only keeping the overall “feel” of the MOC intact. I
might even be able to get him to ldraw his completed efforts.
Pics to come as soon as we can!
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
lol I’m telling you that there are dangers to virtual building! :-)
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And, Bruce Chamberlain pointed out another error. The front windows don’t push
back as far as I indicate in the virtual model. The 1/2-stud inset of the doors
interfers with the front window insertion. Back to the drawing board on that.
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Well, I putzed around with it a little, but I am siccing Ross on the project
and told him to have at it, only keeping the overall “feel” of the MOC
intact. I might even be able to get him to ldraw his completed efforts.
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We’ll put it into the book, if he/you like.
Thanks, Ross.
later,
James Mathis
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Here are some more design modifications thanks to
Bruce Chamberlain and
Hans-Juergen Gaus.
There was an interference problem with inserting the windows into the 1/2-stud
inset doors. Both Bruce and Hans-Juergen addressed this problem in two
different ways. Bruce added a layer of SNOT-plates in front of the door (see
link above). Hans-Juergen removed the SNOT-plates that hold the grab-bars and
instead used a stack of studs-up 1x1 brick. I’m not exactly sure how
Hans-Juergen built his, so the instructions above via the Hans-Juergen link are
my solution to his design.
later,
James Mathis
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