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Subject: 
Flush access door
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:23:16 GMT
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While working on my latest train I had an idea for an access door.  It uses the
2x2x2 container but leaves the door flush with the surface and leaves no gap
above the door.

I'm not sure if its been done before but here it is.  The wacky colors are for
clarity.

Here are the components.  The 1x2 plate modified with door rail is the key.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush01.jpg


The jumper plates off set the container 1/2 stud and line up the door with the
surface of the model.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush02.jpg

The 1x2 plate modified with door rail lines up with the front of the door
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush03.jpg

Use 2 - 1x2 tile to cover the top.  The 1x2 tile has no deviders on the bottom
and allows for the 1/2 stud off set.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush04.jpg

The whole assembly is 3 bricks high.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush05.jpg

The undercut of the 1x2 plate mofified with door rail allows for the hatch to
open.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush06.jpg

Here it is in the model
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush07.jpg


LMKWYT

Mike


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Re: Flush access door
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:39:32 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Kollross wrote:
While working on my latest train I had an idea for an access door.  It uses the
2x2x2 container but leaves the door flush with the surface and leaves no gap
above the door.

I'm not sure if its been done before but here it is.


Dan Siskind did something similar (same?) on one of his trains a couple of years
ago:
http://www.brickmania.com/gallery/trains3/SD90-6.html

Of course, Dan is usually good for several new building techniques every time we
see him.  The GMLTC refers to him as our "alpha builder", the rest of us are
just competing for second place "beta builder" status!!

JohnG, GMLTC
fut .trains just because I feel like it...  *grin*


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Re: Flush access door
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:52:43 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
In lugnet.trains, Mike Kollross wrote:

Snipped a clever hack!

I'm not sure if its been done before but here it is.

Dan Siskind did something similar (same?) on one of his trains a couple of years
ago...

Just like to point out that there's nothing wrong with independently discovering
a "new" innovation! Keep hacking! Good things come from experimenting and
sharing.... thanks Dan, John and Mike!


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Re: Flush access door
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:07:17 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Kollross wrote:
While working on my latest train I had an idea for an access door.  It uses the
2x2x2 container but leaves the door flush with the surface and leaves no gap
above the door.

I'm not sure if its been done before but here it is.  The wacky colors are for
clarity.

SNIP

Here it is in the model
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush07.jpg


LMKWYT

Mike

Now, can you put the whole thing in upside down so the door opens up?

Aaron S


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Re: Flush access door
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:10:26 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Aaron Sneary wrote:

Now, can you put the whole thing in upside down so the door opens up?

Is the "newest Master Builder" having trouble figuring it out for himself, or is
that more of an "exercise for the student" thing?

hehe.

Seriously, many many congrats man, you did us all proud, Way to go!

++Lar


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Re: Flush access door
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:52:44 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
Dan Siskind did something similar (same?) on one of his trains a couple of
years ago:
http://www.brickmania.com/gallery/trains3/SD90-6.html

It's a similar design, but if you look closely you can clearly see that there
are two 1x? tiles resting directly on top of the box.  The studs on the box are
hollow, so he probably just shifted some 1x4 tiles over half a stud, or used a
1x6 or 1x8 tile to link the two sides together.  For that matter, it would be
just as easy to use some 1x3 or longer plates right on top of the box to get the
half-stud offset back, but still leave studs on top to lock it in place a little
better.  He couldn't do it in that model due to the step-back immediately above
the tiles, but it'd work nicely for putting one in a flat surface.


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:26:45 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Kollross wrote:
While working on my latest train I had an idea for an access door.  It uses the
2x2x2 container but leaves the door flush with the surface and leaves no gap
above the door. • Snip

LMKWYT

Mike

Well built and well shared Mike. And, all studs-up too. I can imagine several
uses for this.

Best regards,

Ley


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:43:23 GMT
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Dan Siskind did something similar (same?) on one of his trains a couple of years
ago:
http://www.brickmania.com/gallery/trains3/SD90-6.html

Of course, Dan is usually good for several new building techniques every time we
see him.  The GMLTC refers to him as our "alpha builder", the rest of us are
just competing for second place "beta builder" status!!

JohnG, GMLTC
fut .trains just because I feel like it...  *grin*

I wasn't sure if it had been done before but I thought it was worth posting in
anycase.  Sharing of information and all that.


Cheers,

Mike


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:28:51 GMT
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I'm more interested in seeing the train its sitting in!  Looks like quite the
beast!  Like the vents in there too...

Josh


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:23:22 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Josh Baakko wrote:
I'm more interested in seeing the train its sitting in!  Looks like quite the
beast!  Like the vents in there too...

Josh

Its my first 8 wide but its not quite ready.

Its a GE C40-8W and its 64 studs long.  Its a monster.

I'll post some pics in the next couple of weeks once key parts arrive.

Mike


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:06:55 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
In lugnet.trains, Aaron Sneary wrote:

Now, can you put the whole thing in upside down so the door opens up?

Is the "newest Master Builder" having trouble figuring it out for himself, or is
that more of an "exercise for the student" thing?

hehe.

Seriously, many many congrats man, you did us all proud, Way to go!

++Lar

Oh please, you use a 1x5 technic 'rotor' plate and push the studs of an upturned
1x2 plate down into the ends and build on that.  It's five long, so you get half
a stud offset flush with your six-wide wall.  Hide the rounded ends by resting
them behind a 1x2 thin-wall (then you don't need a door rail plate).

That should help.  If you're building 8-wide, you're beyond help anyway... ;-)

Okay Aaron, this is the bit where you say, "yes, that seems to be the answer I
had here."  And if you need to conduct any more "tests", we're always here.
:-D

Jason Railton


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Re: Flush access door
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P.S.  Jolly well done you jammy git!  Congratulations.

(I bet they stitch his pockets closed when he turns up for work...)


Jason Railton


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:49:17 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Kollross wrote:
While working on my latest train I had an idea for an access door.  It uses the
2x2x2 container but leaves the door flush with the surface and leaves no gap
above the door.

I'm not sure if its been done before but here it is.  The wacky colors are for
clarity.

Here are the components.  The 1x2 plate modified with door rail is the key.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush01.jpg


The jumper plates off set the container 1/2 stud and line up the door with the
surface of the model.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush02.jpg

The 1x2 plate modified with door rail lines up with the front of the door
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush03.jpg

Use 2 - 1x2 tile to cover the top.  The 1x2 tile has no deviders on the bottom
and allows for the 1/2 stud off set.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush04.jpg

The whole assembly is 3 bricks high.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush05.jpg

The undercut of the 1x2 plate mofified with door rail allows for the hatch to
open.
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush06.jpg

Here it is in the model
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MK-Ultra71/misc/FlushHatch/flush07.jpg


LMKWYT

Mike

Such a simple little innovation, but a great one. The uses for space stuff and
their affinity for studlessness makes it a welcome addition.

Nice work.

Cheers,
-Gil


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:37:20 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
In lugnet.trains, Aaron Sneary wrote:

Now, can you put the whole thing in upside down so the door opens up?

Is the "newest Master Builder" having trouble figuring it out for himself, or is
that more of an "exercise for the student" thing?

hehe.

Seriously, many many congrats man, you did us all proud, Way to go!

++Lar

I was challenging people to go to the next step of their innovation long before
the title was applied to my name. Some people fulfill their challenge, others
don't. I still don't think I've seen a moonbase from you Larry!

Thanks, it's certainly exciting. And I think if I needed to turn that box upside
down, I'd just use tiles and some Methyl Ethyl Ketone to keep it in place ;)

Aaron Sneary


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Re: Flush access door
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
In lugnet.trains, Aaron Sneary wrote:

Now, can you put the whole thing in upside down so the door opens up?

Is the "newest Master Builder" having trouble figuring it out for himself, or is
that more of an "exercise for the student" thing?

hehe.

Seriously, many many congrats man, you did us all proud, Way to go!

++Lar

Oh please, you use a 1x5 technic 'rotor' plate and push the studs of an upturned
1x2 plate down into the ends and build on that.  It's five long, so you get half
a stud offset flush with your six-wide wall.  Hide the rounded ends by resting
them behind a 1x2 thin-wall (then you don't need a door rail plate).

That should help.  If you're building 8-wide, you're beyond help anyway... ;-)

Okay Aaron, this is the bit where you say, "yes, that seems to be the answer I
had here."  And if you need to conduct any more "tests", we're always here.
:-D

Jason Railton

Although that would certainly work, there are no right answers that I was
looking for. And there are no tests. I just enjoy people who can explain a
building technique with just words.

I was in a science competition as a teen where one person viewed something built
from LEGO bricks, Lincoln Logs or Tinker Toys (you never knew which) and had to
write with words only directions to rebuild it. The other teammate had to read
the directions and recreate the creation. Closest to the original won. An
extremely difficult task.

Aaron


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:06:13 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Aaron Sneary wrote:
I was in a science competition as a teen where one person viewed something built
from LEGO bricks, Lincoln Logs or Tinker Toys (you never knew which) and had to
write with words only directions to rebuild it. The other teammate had to read
the directions and recreate the creation. Closest to the original won. An
extremely difficult task.

I can imagine that not only is it tough for the first person to write everything
down in words, it's also a real challenge for the teammate to visualize what the
other person is describing!

Congrats on your wish come true, Aaron!

-Bryan


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Re: Flush access door
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:39:57 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Aaron Sneary wrote:
Snip Snip

Although that would certainly work, there are no right answers that I was
looking for. And there are no tests. I just enjoy people who can explain a
building technique with just words.

I was in a science competition as a teen where one person viewed something built
from LEGO bricks, Lincoln Logs or Tinker Toys (you never knew which) and had to
write with words only directions to rebuild it. The other teammate had to read
the directions and recreate the creation. Closest to the original won. An
extremely difficult task.

Aaron

Sounds like a good idea for a competition at Brickfest etc. Giving verbal or
written directions for anything is a good test of language and logic skills (and
good practice.) "You put the doohickey on top of the other thingy" just doesn't
cut it.

I also wanted to say congratulations to you and your co-winners. You deserve the
job. I hope that it turns out to be the dream job that we all imagine it to be.
Play well (AND get paid!)

Best wishes,

Ley


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Re: Flush access door
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote: snip
   Oh please, you use a 1x5 technic ‘rotor’ plate and push the studs of an upturned 1x2 plate down into the ends and build on that. It’s five long, so you get half a stud offset flush with your six-wide wall. Hide the rounded ends by resting them behind a 1x2 thin-wall (then you don’t need a door rail plate). Jason Railton

Huh?! You got a picture or somethin’?
James “I’m not from Missouri, but you have to show me anyway” Wilson
Dallas, TX


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Re: Flush access door
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Kollross wrote:
In lugnet.trains, Josh Baakko wrote:
I'm more interested in seeing the train its sitting in!  Looks like quite the
beast!  Like the vents in there too...

Josh

Its my first 8 wide but its not quite ready.

Its a GE C40-8W and its 64 studs long.  Its a monster.

I'll post some pics in the next couple of weeks once key parts arrive.

Mike

Have you seen all of the Cad's I have of my projects?  Can't wait to see this
locomotive!
Josh


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