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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> Dear all!
>
> I'm really glad with most of the latest news we have heared from TLC. Bulk
> order becomes better and better, (in Germany you can buy at S@H even without
> credit card!), the "My Own Trains" and the new waggons are nice as models and
> especially for delivering spares. The Sopwith Camel is one of the greatest sets
> ever in my eyes and Harry Potter isn't as bad as many people think about
> it, since it offers lots of play fun (for kids) and lots of nice detailed sets
> for not too
> much money. Only the Hogwarts Express is a very lame modell in my opinion.
>
> But now we have the Legend series and I'm not glad about it at all. There have
> been some worth to read discussions (mainly Europeans against Americans) about
> the Guarded Inn and at this point we have the same effects concerning the
> trains. I think Jojo has said nearly all about what makes a set a legend and
> why a re-released legend is a dead legend:
> http://news.lugnet.com/castle/?n=9395
>
> As a matter of fact I have to declare: Lego® ist not only a toy, but also a
> collectors item. Many people collect sets (and pay lots of money for it).
> Others just need the parts for playing. Most of us do both: collect things and
> play with the stuff. I think TLC should take care of both groups: the "players"
> want to have stuff for MOCs easily available, the "collectors" want to have
> rare sets.
>
> The easiest way to solve this conflict would have been to do some slight
> changes in the new releases (for e.g. colour modifications and new printings.)
> The players would get the wished stuff for playing (who would care about a
> mirrored print, if he wants to play with the stuff?) and the collectors would
> be glad to find a new item to get it into the collection. For example the new
> Metroliner could have been same as the old one, but in dark gray.
I have no problem with the "slight" changes you suggest. But those will
result in extra (slight?) development costs, and so may make other Legend
sets a little less likely. I cannot find a picture of the "new" metroliner
on Lego.com, but the changes I hope for a as follows:
No Transformer/PS - I have enough
No Track - I have enough
No motor - I have enough
Smaller box!
With those changes, we may save 30-40%?
Scott A
>
> I would buy such a set immediately (imagine how much new cool MOCs you could
> make up with dark gray bricks!). But I see nothing good in a simple 100% copy
> of 4558: grey windows are available at S@H anyway and nearly all people around
> have a Metroliner now, so we do not need more copies of this set, which is
> weekly sold 10 times via eBay.
>
> And my last point (not too unimportant!): if the AFOL-market gets the
> Metroliner now, this decreases evidently the chance to get a new well designed
> train set (with new parts and new part-colour-combinations). Instead, the next
> train set to follow the 4565 will probably be juniorized even worse than 4560.
>
> If you ask me, TLC would have done a bigger favour to us AFOLs if they had
> released a new set maybe somewhat similar to 4564, but with cool new colours
> like dark gray, tan, brown etc. I want to see a set with big train wheels
> (including the possibility to add connecting rods) and with dark gray (or red)
> wheel blocks, with dark gray magnet couplings etc. THAT would have been worth a
> "Woow!!"
>
> If the legends become a success this will just mean more 4560-like sets on the
> one hand and more re-releases (I think 4551 and 4536 will be next. Yes, 4551 is
> a cool set, but a green or brown 4551 with gray wheel blocks would be a
> fantastic set!)
>
> The new 1000x series just kills legends and is not helpful for me at
> all, since I get just "boring" stuff I have right now.... (I'm both collector
> and builder).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Ben
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> I have no problem with the "slight" changes you suggest. But those will
> result in extra (slight?) development costs, and so may make other Legend
> sets a little less likely. I cannot find a picture of the "new" metroliner
> on Lego.com, but the changes I hope for a as follows:
>
> No Transformer/PS - I have enough
> No Track - I have enough
> No motor - I have enough
> Smaller box!
>
> With those changes, we may save 30-40%?
>
> Scott A
Scott- I agree 90% with you here. Lose the track and transformer. I like
motors though. I've got more than enough curved rail.
In general, I think LD would be better off selling trains piecemeal rather
than large $150 sets. Each year they could offer a new engine style and two
or three similarly themed cars to go with it, as separate sets. (It looks
like this is the year of the steam and classic looking trains. Perhaps next
year will be a cargo theme.)
Lego Direct can continue to bundle cars, track and transformer at the
catalog level to offer a one-stop solution.
This packaging method and the fact that these are S@H only sets do keep
trains out of the retail channel. But I'm sure Lego will continue to offer a
single box, mass market train every two years or so for Toys R Us and the
other retailers.
It looks like, for the foreseeable future, Lego Direct and S@H is where the
action is for the serious Lego train fan. Fine by me.
Bryan
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Bryan Kinkel wrote:
> It looks like, for the foreseeable future, Lego Direct and S@H is where the
> action is for the serious Lego train fan. Fine by me.
Yes. Let LD show Denmark how popular trains still are, and then let *Denmark*
spring for the serious train line upgrades (DCC, New track, wheels, couplers,
automatic points and gates, etc)
That way LD won't have to bear the development costs, and the sets can be
available on a larger scale (retail).
-John
>
>
> Bryan
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GGKL2C.Loo@lugnet.com...
> I have no problem with the "slight" changes you suggest. But those will
> result in extra (slight?) development costs, and so may make other Legend
> sets a little less likely. I cannot find a picture of the "new" metroliner
> on Lego.com, but the changes I hope for a as follows:
>
> No Transformer/PS - I have enough
> No Track - I have enough
> No motor - I have enough
> Smaller box!
>
> With those changes, we may save 30-40%?
Good ideas Scott (though there was no transformer in the Metroliner anyway)
Given that you can purchase the rest at shop at home already (track, motor), then why not package it 'my own train'
style and let people add what they want, and/or not pay for stuff they already have.
No Track - should really read 'No Curves' :-)
regards
lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
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> "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GGKL2C.Loo@lugnet.com...
>
> > I have no problem with the "slight" changes you suggest. But those will
> > result in extra (slight?) development costs, and so may make other Legend
> > sets a little less likely. I cannot find a picture of the "new" metroliner
> > on Lego.com, but the changes I hope for a as follows:
> >
> > No Transformer/PS - I have enough
> > No Track - I have enough
> > No motor - I have enough
> > Smaller box!
> >
> > With those changes, we may save 30-40%?
>
>
> Good ideas Scott (though there was no transformer in the Metroliner anyway)
I have never owned one which had its box, so I was not aware of that! I had
a MISB one once, but I sold it. I have now sold/traded all my Metroliners
and Clubcars as they were just too expensive to justify the amount required
to get a decent sized train. I am glad I sold them now!
Scott A
>
> Given that you can purchase the rest at shop at home already (track, motor), then why not package it 'my own train'
> style and let people add what they want, and/or not pay for stuff they already have.
>
> No Track - should really read 'No Curves' :-)
>
> regards
> lawrence
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GGMH36.4qo@lugnet.com...
> I have never owned one which had its box, so I was not aware of that! I had
> a MISB one once, but I sold it. I have now sold/traded all my Metroliners
> and Clubcars as they were just too expensive to justify the amount required
> to get a decent sized train. I am glad I sold them now!
Well, I havent sold any of mine.
But then they are all played with
I did buy a MISB set for £70 (including a MISB transformer too) not long ago, and promptly opened it!
I have 3
1 bought new
1 bought in bits, and gradually put back together, though still missing one rare piece
1 as described earlier
Plus I have aquired extra windows and doors in trades.
So whilst they will no longer command the value they may once have, I havent lost any money either.
I doubt I will be buying a new legend one. No need. Though some more doors would be nice.
And as for club cars, well I was lucky enough to buy them on clearance at the Entertainer for £14 each.
Wonder what they will be now?
Looking at the other sets, my guess will be around £25
I might buy a couple.
regards
lawrence
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Hello!
> but the changes I hope for a as follows:
> No motor - I have enough
No motor? You will need the motors for the MOCs you're going to build from
your new Metroliners, huh?
Bye
Jojo
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