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In lugnet.space, Kyle Keppler writes:
> <big snip>
>
> > 2) Panels and hinges. Here's the opposite extreme - have a few brick structures
> > tying in a bunch of panels and hinges to build the outer skin of the ship. You
> > still need structural stability, but that's often hidden inside. Having panels
> > and using hinges to mount them gives a much more interesting shape, and lends to
> > the SNOT or 'Studs Not On Top' building style. These ships are very lightweight
> > compared to the brick ships, but they don't take a beating like the brick ones
> > do. You have to be very careful to keep the panels on and if its on display you
> > might have to fix it often due to inquisitive hands. This style lends to the
> > most interesting ship designs, but often the weakest, unless done right.
>
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> > I think that ships look and function the best when they use both bricks and
> > panels. This means sacrificing a little from both extremes - ships having some
> > studs-up brick walls, along with panel walls. This still gives the interesting
> > shapes panel ships have, but it gets more of the strength and stability of a
> > brick ship as well.
> >
> > Example - Joel Kuester's Benevolent Grace [1]. Aside from the size of this
> > thing (I could lay down inside of it - its 8ft long!!!!) - I am impressed with
> > the techniques he built it with. Joel designed this ship using a lot of bricks
> > for an exoskeleton of sorts -- there are big black brick beams that wrap around
> > the ship. Then he filled in the gaps with panels, and almost all of them fold
> > out, come off, or flip up to get access to the inside. They serve a double
> > purpose, access to the interior by humans for this 4 deck monster, and
> > interestingly sloped sides to create a pleasing shape.
>
> Another good example of using lots of panels and lots of bricks would be my
> 160 stud long big ship:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=41339 Which is as of now
> still unnamed and unpublished. The interior is full of brick walls and
> technic beams. I first built the ship with just technic beams holding up all
> the floors, but when interior detail was added, the walls that seperated the
> various rooms helped stregthen it a great bit.
>
> A good strong base is also very important, and my ship has a set up of:
> a layer of plates,
> a layer of technic beams and regular bricks,
> and another layer of plates.
>
> Another important method I used was to attach the techinc beams that are
> supporting different levels together with more technic beams. This has made
> it VERY sturdy. It has been sitting on the floor being supported by 2 stacks
> at the extreme far ends of the ship of those weird 6x6x2 parts in the TIE
> fighters for about a month now. And it has yet to buckle in the middle. I
> can pick it up with 2 hands rather easily but I'm very nervous holding it
> cause it's so big, heavy, and ackward to move. That's also the reason why it
> has yet to venture out of my basement.
>
> If anyone is wondering how I got all that grey, It's mostly from 5 Sith
> Infiltrators( grey plates pack!), and 3 X wings (most bought on sale of
> course), and then I got some grey bricks off brickbay.
>
> My collection is 'only' about 30k (
> http://guide.lugnet.com/set/mlist.cgi?m=791) so I think that shows you dont
> need 'tons' of parts to go big...
>
> <snip>
>
> Nice tips timmah, I totally agree.
>
> HTH
>
> --Kyle
> http://hvl.cjb.net
I have five questions for you, Kyle. The first question is do you have a
real picture available of your ship and not a picture drawn on the computer?
The second question is where are the wings on your space craft? I apologize
for not being able to appreciate some of the larger space craft but I was
one of those people who thought that the Star Destroyer and the Super Star
Destroyer in the Star Wars saga resembled a hybrid of a battleship and a
wedge of cheese. Almost every builder has millions of attennas and tons of
bulky areas on these ships and none of these people realize that there is
friction in outer space and were these systems to be really existent in
space that about half of the ship would disintegrate while travelling in
space. I am simply saying that you need some wings on your space craft. I
am not saying that your space craft is ugly but I am saying that this is a
problem that many people fail to recognize in their designs. I do not have
the experience in the larger ship category but my Gaea Federation Galaxy
Destroyer is a seventy three stud length space craft and the Nomadic Empire
Infiltrator is a seventy eight stud long space craft. The logic in the
minds of these people would say that I should combine these ships but these
people also fail to recognize that I only own about ten or fifteen thousand
Legos, perhaps not even that many Legos. I like the designs of your ship
but there is a lack of some wings on the sides of your space craft. If I
was given more Legos, I would easily build five hundred stud or longer Lego
space craft but as my situation is right now, I am content with the Legos I
have built right now in my life. The third question is why does Legoland
Space and Futuron/Futureworld share the same logo yet they are considered to
be two different systems? I believe that there is a Futuron/Futureworld I
and a Futuron/Futureworld II as with the Space Police and Blacktron Lego
sets. Do you consider my opinion to be wrong in this question to you, Kyle?
The fourth question is why is there not an Exploriens section on the Lugnet
Space section? The Exploriens were part of Lego Space so I believe that
they should have a part on the Lugnet Lego space bulletin boards. The fifth
question is I am looking for a particular Lego piece that has a two stud
width and a two stud length, is cylinderical in shape, and has fins on the
side that suggest that these pieces were used as either motors or the bases
to a rocket. Do you know how I can obtain some of these pieces and the
names of these pieces, Kyle? Thank you for helping me, Kyle.
Jesse Long
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| "Jesse Alan Long" <joyous4god2@yahoo.com> writes: [...] (...) [...] Actually, this is false. Space is a vacuum - there is no air, only a few stray molecules of gas or cosmic dust. As a result, there is no friction and thus no need for wings or (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
| | | Re: Building big
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| In lugnet.space, Jesse Alan Long writes: <snip> (...) That is a real picture. It was taken with my digital camera, and the background was inserted with photoshop. (...) <snip> Well, since there is no gravity (ok, very little) there is no need for (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
| | | Re: Building big
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| I'm probably gonna get flamed a little for this but here I go. (...) computer? His ship is oviously not a render. If Kyle had created this ship in LDraw he would be God. (...) apologize (...) Ok this is a really weird comment. Others have adressed (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
| | | Couldn't resist
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| (...) what the flipping space monster burgers are you talking about? friction in space? NOT, noway, nohow wings are useless in space, dude. i'm an astrophysicist, i know whereof i speak. (i'm sure this has been said elsewhere but hey i don't have (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
| | | Re: Building big
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| Actually, the problem is one of inertia. If you accelerate the ship with more force than the "gripping" force of the antenna, it will pop off. This happens even if there is no atmosphere. Also, minifigs need visors to protect against ultra-violet (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
| | | Re: Building big
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| <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I'll leave the real world technical discussion to the remainder of the thread but I think it's worth mentioning that you can't criticize the lack of wings in a Star Wars design without recognizing the frame of reference (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
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| | Re: Building big
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| <big snip> (...) <snip> (...) Another good example of using lots of panels and lots of bricks would be my 160 stud long big ship: (URL) Which is as of now still unnamed and unpublished. The interior is full of brick walls and technic beams. I first (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)
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