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Hi, it's Jono.....
I've been noticing that there has been NO even RELATIVELY interesting
talk here!!!!! ...lol......anyhow, I figured I'd start something up: Which
set do you think is better, the 6285 BSB, or the 6286 SES?? Give reasons why.
Jono
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In lugnet.pirates, Jonathan Castellino writes:
> Hi, it's Jono.....
>
> I've been noticing that there has been NO even RELATIVELY interesting
> talk here!!!!! ...lol......anyhow, I figured I'd start something up: Which
> set do you think is better, the 6285 BSB, or the 6286 SES?? Give reasons why.
>
> Jono
Oh man, and here I am out the door. Hold that thought....
Bruce
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Jonathan Castellino wrote:
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> Hi, it's Jono.....
>
> I've been noticing that there has been NO even RELATIVELY interesting
> talk here!!!!! ...lol......anyhow, I figured I'd start something up: Which
> set do you think is better, the 6285 BSB, or the 6286 SES?? Give reasons why.
Short answer: read down to my thoughts on ships on this page:
http://www.mindspring.com/~ffilz/Lego/pirate-ships.html
which was derived from this post:
http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=310
Other reasons why I rate 6285 higher:
- more subdued color scheme (says the creator of the HMS Bugsplat - a
green and yellow ship -
http://www.mindspring.com/~ffilz/Lego/pirate-creations.html )
- the closest to correct fitting of the support structure for the
ratlines (see the comments on my Red Seas Barracuda on the page above)
- has some deck running down the side above the gun deck
- has the best after cabin design, with a brilliant elaborate patterning
I have to admit they're very close, but the 6285 definitely nudges out
the 6286.
Frank
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Frank Filz wrote:
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> Jonathan Castellino wrote:
> >
> > Hi, it's Jono.....
> >
> > I've been noticing that there has been NO even RELATIVELY interesting
> > talk here!!!!! ...lol......anyhow, I figured I'd start something up: Which
> > set do you think is better, the 6285 BSB, or the 6286 SES?? Give reasons why.
>
> Short answer: read down to my thoughts on ships on this page:
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~ffilz/Lego/pirate-ships.html
>
> which was derived from this post:
>
> http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=310
>
> Other reasons why I rate 6285 higher:
>
> - more subdued color scheme (says the creator of the HMS Bugsplat - a
> green and yellow ship -
> http://www.mindspring.com/~ffilz/Lego/pirate-creations.html )
> - the closest to correct fitting of the support structure for the
> ratlines (see the comments on my Red Seas Barracuda on the page above)
> - has some deck running down the side above the gun deck
> - has the best after cabin design, with a brilliant elaborate patterning
>
> I have to admit they're very close, but the 6285 definitely nudges out
> the 6286.
>
> Frank
Here here. The BSB is far better than the SES.
Then again, considering that I used to own a BSB and I cant remember
ever seeing a SES except as pictures online that might affect my
judgement :)
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> > I have to admit they're very close, but the 6285 definitely nudges out
> > the 6286.
> >
> > Frank
> Here here. The BSB is far better than the SES.
Sorry to disagree: in terms of playability, the SES definitely is the better ship - the more when your ships are equipped with
shooting cannons. While it is quite difficult to shoot cannonballs due to the very limited space on board of the BSB, the rotating
cannons on board of the SES are very convenient for gunners! The missing planks on the sides give more space for your hands, and
the rotating cannons allow a better manouverability. I guess most changes that happened to the SES have been undertaken to enable a
better shooting of the cannons, a fact that may be overlooked easily in the U.S. where this feature is generally not available.
Also, the capstan and the sophisticated steering mechanism of the SES are additional features the BSB is lacking.
Arnold
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brickhead wrote:
> Sorry to disagree: in terms of playability, the SES definitely is the better ship - the more when your ships are equipped with
> shooting cannons. While it is quite difficult to shoot cannonballs due to the very limited space on board of the BSB, the rotating
> cannons on board of the SES are very convenient for gunners! The missing planks on the sides give more space for your hands, and
> the rotating cannons allow a better manouverability. I guess most changes that happened to the SES have been undertaken to enable a
> better shooting of the cannons, a fact that may be overlooked easily in the U.S. where this feature is generally not available.
> Also, the capstan and the sophisticated steering mechanism of the SES are additional features the BSB is lacking.
From a playability standpoint, definitely the SES is better, but as more
of a modeler or wargamer, those "playability" features don't add much.
The BSB is easily modified to have a 4 gun broadside (check out my RSB).
The capstan on the SES is a nice idea, but it's poorly placed (it
shouldn't be tucked under a rail). From a gaming perspective, the loss
of deck space on the SES is bad.
Tom commented that one thing he didn't like was the green gun port
covers. I actually kind of like them, but they do clash a bit with the
color scheme (SES has green, white, blue, AND yellow as trim colors). I
have thought about using the green gunpoint covers on my RSB (which has
green as it's 2nd trim color - I would also like to reduce the amount of
white, but that is waiting for a 1x2x3 inverse extreme slope to appear
in dark grey - I will be changing the spars over to red soon, and may
change the poop deck rails over to dark grey [I've acquired a bit more
dark grey since I built the RSB]).
Some folks don't like the rear mast on the SES (myself included), but it
actually isn't as non-historically accurate as one might assume.
As I said before though, in my mind the SES is very close to the BSB,
unfortunately, the action features it introduced set the path for the
far worse 3rd generation of ships (6250, 6280, and 6289).
Frank
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In lugnet.pirates, Jonathan Castellino writes:
> Hi, it's Jono.....
>
> I've been noticing that there has been NO even RELATIVELY interesting
> talk here!!!!! ...lol......anyhow, I figured I'd start something up: Which
> set do you think is better, the 6285 BSB, or the 6286 SES?? Give reasons why.
>
> Jono
I'm afraid my favorite is the SES! But it depends on how you are looking at
it. Built to the instructions, I would take the SES over the BSB anyday!
But if you are looking for parts, then I would take the BSB over the SES!
Reason being is that the hull is all brown and the sails are nondiscript.
That enables you to use them in a variety of ships designs.
It's a close call! But I just prefer the design, colors, and overall look
of the SES in comparison to the BSB. It also has a better selection of
minifigs (with both the female and the rare white shirted/brown vested guy)!
It can fire 4 cannon broadside to the 2 on the BSB! It has more sails
including the large sail. It has the rare yellow lattice windows instead of
the more common white. And it has a better masthead figure then the BSB! I
even like the small cannon mounted aft (giving it actually 5 cannon that can
shoot from one side at one time). My main dislike to the SES is the green
2x2 flag pieces that cover the cannon ports. Red, black, or white would
have been better!
and that's my two cents worth!
Tom
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6285 compared to 6268: the first one you own for the 'looks' (the
original owner build it in real also mostly for show-off...!), the
second one is best for playing.
My kids (6 and 9) are allowed to play with all my Lego-sets, and the
ships with easy to operate canons (shooting ofcourse, I am Dutch) are
always favorite.
While the 6268 and 6289 are having a big battle wit 'who cares' (kids
don't, Han, Luke and Chewbakka are favorite) the crew from the Black
Seas B. are eating at McDonalds (at King Kakumba's place) on one of the
skull-ilands... :-)
After the battle the BSB-nifty-beauty sails out to collect minifigs and
treasure.
BTW:
Anybody interested in extra sail-sets (originals) and a bunch of 15-20
shooting cannons?
I am looking to complete my ship-collection with the (US-only) 6250.
Ugly, but the last one I need !
Klaas H. Meijaard - The Netherlands
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Jonathan Castellino schreef:
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> Hi, it's Jono.....
>
> I've been noticing that there has been NO even RELATIVELY interesting
> talk here!!!!! ...lol......anyhow, I figured I'd start something up: Which
> set do you think is better, the 6285 BSB, or the 6286 SES?? Give reasons why.
>
> Jono
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It's Jono again....I'm glad to see SOOO much feedback. anyhow, i was
considering trading my (unused - opened, but unused) Mindstorms 1.5 kit for
a used 6286.....i wanted to get any of your opinions on whether it is worth
it. Thanks.
Jono
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Jonathan Castellino wrote:
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> It's Jono again....I'm glad to see SOOO much feedback. anyhow, i was
> considering trading my (unused - opened, but unused) Mindstorms 1.5 kit for
> a used 6286.....i wanted to get any of your opinions on whether it is worth
> it. Thanks.
> Jono
That would be a decent deal, especially if you got the Mindstorms on
sale. I paid about $170 for each of my 6286s, but I was also very
patient. One came from the AucZilla 500 sets auction (w/o minifigs) for
$170, the other came from a Tom Schlosser (in Germany) auction for $186
including shipping. I haven't watched how they do on eBay lately, but
when I was going after them, they were going for more like $250 on eBay.
BSBs seemed to go a little cheaper, and I got one of those from Tom also
(for $160 including shipping). For comparison, the Imperial Trading Post
could be had for usually about $100-150 or so (I paid $75, $122, and $96
for mine). The cheap one was a lucky deal and a willingness to risk a
seller with a low feedback rating. What I really learned is that
patience really helps. Of course the real deal was my 2nd BSB which I
found in a used toy store for $50 (though it is missing some of the rare
parts and some of the minifigs). I had despaired of ever getting these
three sets, and ended up getting multiple copies of all of them for what
I considered below market prices (the $122 6277 being the closest to
market price).
On the other hand, I'll probably pay through the nose for a 6251 just
because it is the last pirate set I need to be complete in all the sets
(I may never get all the service packs, there are several cannon service
packs which seem like I may not find).
Follow-ups to: lugnet.market.appraisal
Frank
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