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Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
"It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
same import shipment. Complain to them."
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Thanks for posting this Larry.
Was Australia Specifically mentioned or was it more an indication of when
other countries would be coming online as well (eg New Zealand, Japan etc.)
Santosh
We are the most governed country on the planet arent we? that'd explain the
delay!
In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
>
> "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
>
> Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> same import shipment. Complain to them."
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Santosh Bhat writes:
> Was Australia Specifically mentioned or was it more an indication of when
> other countries would be coming online as well (eg New Zealand, Japan etc.)
(read that exactly as quoted)
Paraphrasing Brad's response:
Oz definitely. NZ strongly intended by 4Q. Japan not in plan for 4Q due to
Double Byte char set issues, other tech problems. Norway and Switzerland and
France are also coming soon.
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
>
> "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
>
> Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> same import shipment. Complain to them."
At least paper is a step forward from the etched bark documents of a few years
back.
pete.w (the battle for truth, Justus and the American-do way)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
>
> "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
>
> Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> same import shipment. Complain to them."
Ok.
Who wants to draft the petition to canberra to get them to change this? :)
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
>
> "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
>
> Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> same import shipment. Complain to them."
The last time I checked, we had a very large balance of payments deficit...
clearly, lots of companies - including a large Danish manufacturer of ABS
bricks - are already managing to cope with our import requirements.
Blame the government? Of all the things that the government may be blamed
for, I think this one tends toward the irrelevant.
I suspect they're just a long way down the list of excuses.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
Patrician of Brick-Morpork
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Richie Dulin writes:
> In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
> >
> > "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> > Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
> >
> > Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> > government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> > same import shipment. Complain to them."
>
> The last time I checked, we had a very large balance of payments deficit...
> clearly, lots of companies - including a large Danish manufacturer of ABS
> bricks - are already managing to cope with our import requirements.
>
> Blame the government? Of all the things that the government may be blamed
> for, I think this one tends toward the irrelevant.
>
> I suspect they're just a long way down the list of excuses.
I in turn suspect you haven't thought things through.
Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
every order.
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Richie Dulin writes:
> In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
> >
> > "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> > Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
> >
> > Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> > government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> > same import shipment. Complain to them."
>
> The last time I checked, we had a very large balance of payments deficit...
> clearly, lots of companies - including a large Danish manufacturer of ABS
> bricks - are already managing to cope with our import requirements.
>
> Blame the government? Of all the things that the government may be blamed
> for, I think this one tends toward the irrelevant.
>
> I suspect they're just a long way down the list of excuses.
I in turn suspect you haven't thought things through.
Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
every order.
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.events.brickfest, Richie Dulin writes:
> > In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > Brad Justus: (quoted with permission)
> > >
> > > "It is intended that the entire Shop at Home experience will be available in
> > > Australia by the end of the 4th quarter of 2001..."
> > >
> > > Paraphrased by Lar for dramatic effect: "One of the big holdups is your
> > > government who requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the
> > > same import shipment. Complain to them."
> >
> > The last time I checked, we had a very large balance of payments deficit...
> > clearly, lots of companies - including a large Danish manufacturer of ABS
> > bricks - are already managing to cope with our import requirements.
> >
> > Blame the government? Of all the things that the government may be blamed
> > for, I think this one tends toward the irrelevant.
> >
> > I suspect they're just a long way down the list of excuses.
>
> I in turn suspect you haven't thought things through.
>
> Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
> every order.
But surely if they warehouse some stuff in Australia (assumption!!), the
import orders would be fairly large?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.events.brickfest, Richie Dulin writes:
> > I suspect they're just a long way down the list of excuses.
>
> I in turn suspect you haven't thought things through.
>
> Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
> every order.
True, but how difficult is that to do in practice? (Could be as simple as
enter the details into the system, press send then press print, the worst
possible case is filling in a form twice, not exactly a great effort). It's
not as if no one else does it.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
Patrician of Brick-Morpork
Defender of Beaurocracy
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Ross Crawford writes:
> In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
> > every order.
>
> But surely if they warehouse some stuff in Australia (assumption!!), the
> import orders would be fairly large?
Reread my sentence just above your assumption. Carefully. Think about what
the difference between retail fulfillment and a warehouse to support stores
is. Unless they are doing retail fulfillment IN australia, each and every
order needs to get *separate* import documentation. No matter how small.
You people are whinging, so I trimmed events.brickfest. Brad said you are
going to get your wish and tried to explain why it has been challenging, to
wit, at least in part because your government is clueless.
Dodge that all you like, I'm done.
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In lugnet.loc.au, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.events.brickfest, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> > > Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
> > > every order.
> >
> > But surely if they warehouse some stuff in Australia (assumption!!), the
> > import orders would be fairly large?
>
> Reread my sentence just above your assumption. Carefully. Think about what
> the difference between retail fulfillment and a warehouse to support stores
> is. Unless they are doing retail fulfillment IN australia, each and every
> order needs to get *separate* import documentation. No matter how small.
OK. So I made an assumtion which *may* be false. I've seen nothing from LD
about it.
> You people are whinging,
My post was'nt a whinge, simply a question directed at anyone who wanted to
answer. I should've trimmed .brickfest.
> so I trimmed events.brickfest. Brad said you are
> going to get your wish and tried to explain why it has been challenging, to
> wit, at least in part because your government is clueless.
>
> Dodge that all you like,
Again I *wasn't* dodging *anything*. No-one I've got stuff from O/S has
needed to lodge any kind of electronic document, and neither have I. And
I've improted many things, large and small. Probably different for a
business, though.
> I'm done.
Likewise. Go have a beer & relax.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.loc.au, Ross Crawford writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.events.brickfest, Ross Crawford writes:
> > > In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> >
> > > > Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
> > > > every order.
> > >
> > > But surely if they warehouse some stuff in Australia (assumption!!), the
> > > import orders would be fairly large?
> >
> > Reread my sentence just above your assumption. Carefully. Think about what
> > the difference between retail fulfillment and a warehouse to support stores
> > is. Unless they are doing retail fulfillment IN australia, each and every
> > order needs to get *separate* import documentation. No matter how small.
>
> OK. So I made an assumtion which *may* be false.
It *is* false.
> I've seen nothing from LD about it.
Um, does it have to be personally addressed to you before you accept it?
I am sorry that I cannot quote Brad's exact words, I did not have permission
(or desire) to tape record them... but I am telling you what he said, and if
he's not "LD" I don't know what is.
To repeat my paraphrase of his words, paraphrased differently:
Not every country gets their own fulfillment center. It is not economical to
do so. You are going to be fulfilled from somewhere else and one of the big
challenges in your case is your own government's (1) paperwork requirements.
I'm sorry if you find that hard to accept, but take it or leave it. Look at
the bright side, you get S@H before Japan which has even bigger challenges.
1 - silly, IMHO, as I personally would not charge import duty on anything
but that's just me.
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In lugnet.loc.au, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.loc.au, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.events.brickfest, Ross Crawford writes:
> > > > In lugnet.events.brickfest, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > >
> > > > > Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do that doc for each and
> > > > > every order.
> > > >
> > > > But surely if they warehouse some stuff in Australia (assumption!!), the
> > > > import orders would be fairly large?
> > >
> > > Reread my sentence just above your assumption. Carefully. Think about what
> > > the difference between retail fulfillment and a warehouse to support stores
> > > is. Unless they are doing retail fulfillment IN australia, each and every
> > > order needs to get *separate* import documentation. No matter how small.
> >
> > OK. So I made an assumtion which *may* be false.
>
> It *is* false.
>
> > I've seen nothing from LD about it.
>
> Um, does it have to be personally addressed to you before you accept it?
>
> I am sorry that I cannot quote Brad's exact words, I did not have permission
> (or desire) to tape record them... but I am telling you what he said, and if
> he's not "LD" I don't know what is.
>
> To repeat my paraphrase of his words, paraphrased differently:
>
> Not every country gets their own fulfillment center. It is not economical to
> do so. You are going to be fulfilled from somewhere else and one of the big
> challenges in your case is your own government's (1) paperwork requirements.
Thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately up 'til this point, all I'd seen was
the above sentence "Unless they run a fulfilment center, they have to do
that doc for each and every order." which doesn't say they *won't* run one,
and the original paraphrase "One of the big holdups is your government who
requires BOTH electronic AND paper import documents for the same import
shipment. Complain to them.", which also doesn't make the exact position
(WRT fulfilment) clear.
I apologise if I missed some other post which may have cleared this all up.
ROSCO
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> But surely if they warehouse some stuff in Australia (assumption!!), the
> import orders would be fairly large?
>
> ROSCO
Working from memory here, but I believe Brad stated that determining which
fulfilment center to ship from (European or US) was one of the decisions
that had to be made, so I wouldn't suspect that they plan to warehouse
anything in Australia.
Troy
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> Working from memory here, but I believe Brad stated that determining which
> fulfilment center to ship from (European or US) was one of the decisions
> that had to be made, so I wouldn't suspect that they plan to warehouse
> anything in Australia.
Unfortunately, this is the decision that has had to be made for the last 12
months, and has presumably been a big part of the reason for our last two
launch dates (actually more like launch windows) being postponed.
I was extremely happy to read this news from Brad, but now I'm wondering if
it's the same old story over again. "You'll have SAH by month X, we've just
got to figure out whether you'll be going through the US or Europe". 6
months later and it's "You'll have SAH by month Y, we've just got to figure
out whether you'll be going through the US or Europe". This might be the
3rd instance of this particular statement, I've kinda lost count.
Personally I don't care where they fulfil the orders, I just want it
available directly to us and in terms of the Aus dollar - and whilst I'm
sure the Aus government deserves a good kicking, I doubt the import
regulations are the whole story.
Anyway, many thanks to the brickfest people for forwarding the news!
Deidre (All I want for Christmas is my shop-at-home, shop-at-home,
shop-at-home...)
drb@tasmail.com
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Actually, I got the IMPRESSION from what was said that the decision of where
to ship from had been made, but Brad didn't specifically tell us which
facility would be handling it. Of course, I could just be hallucinating
here....
Troy
Deidre Rushton Brumby <drb@tasmail.com> wrote in message
news:GGLHHJ.Cxp@lugnet.com...
> > Working from memory here, but I believe Brad stated that determining • which
> > fulfilment center to ship from (European or US) was one of the decisions
> > that had to be made, so I wouldn't suspect that they plan to warehouse
> > anything in Australia.
>
> Unfortunately, this is the decision that has had to be made for the last • 12
> months, and has presumably been a big part of the reason for our last two
> launch dates (actually more like launch windows) being postponed.
>
> I was extremely happy to read this news from Brad, but now I'm wondering • if
> it's the same old story over again. "You'll have SAH by month X, we've • just
> got to figure out whether you'll be going through the US or Europe". 6
> months later and it's "You'll have SAH by month Y, we've just got to • figure
> out whether you'll be going through the US or Europe". This might be the
> 3rd instance of this particular statement, I've kinda lost count.
>
> Personally I don't care where they fulfil the orders, I just want it
> available directly to us and in terms of the Aus dollar - and whilst I'm
> sure the Aus government deserves a good kicking, I doubt the import
> regulations are the whole story.
>
> Anyway, many thanks to the brickfest people for forwarding the news!
>
> Deidre (All I want for Christmas is my shop-at-home, shop-at-home,
> shop-at-home...)
> drb@tasmail.com
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In lugnet.events.brickfest, Troy Cefaratti writes:
> Actually, I got the IMPRESSION from what was said that the decision of where
> to ship from had been made, but Brad didn't specifically tell us which
> facility would be handling it. Of course, I could just be hallucinating
> here....
I'll hope that you weren't hallucinating and that some progress has been
made after all, so this could indeed be very good news :)
(Well, someone has to be optimistic!)
Deidre
drb@tasmail.com
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