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I finally got around to uploading pics of a peasant house I did in LeoCad
awhile ago...check em out here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=750
They show the house in various stages of construction, as well as the
interior. Not much interior detail, but peasants had little, right? ;-)
And yes, there's no fireplace in the first interior pic, but there are in the
rest of em...it came later. (Thanks for the idea Shiri!)
-Chris
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Sheerly awesome! I built 3 similar peasant houses/shops which closely
resemble the one Chris created. I have a yellow/black tudor, red/black tudor,
and blue/black tudor. Who needs those specialty tudor pieces when you can
create the same effect on your own!?
Differences and similarities between mine and Chris's:
1) I used either the red or black arched/lattice castle windows along with
shutters for the windows (4 on each house).
2) I took a different approach to the roof. To obtain a more slanted efffect,
I used those triangular angled stud pieces found with many Dragon Master sets.
I then used large plates to fabricate the roof. Of course the roof has studs
on it and isn't smooth, but you can take the roof off easily.
3) The upper level is "flared" out like Chris's
4) used the same style door....on the same side
5) used the same stud baseplate
6) I also neglected the fireplace/chimney until the latter stages
My designs do require some hard-to-find pieces though:
4 red or black arched castle (lattice) windows
9 1x1x2 black hinges
1 wooden-style door
4 1x4x5? triangular bricks with studs on the angle part
8 of the smaller shutters
I really encourage everyone to build their own! You will need quite a few 1xN
flat black pieces and many 1x1x1 black bricks to create a good tudor effect.
Maybe I'll get some pictures up someday?
If anyone is interested in pics...please e-mail me kyle@peterson.net as I do
not check this newsgroup often.
Chris, Shiri, would love to hear some feedback!
-Kyle
In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> I finally got around to uploading pics of a peasant house I did in LeoCad
> awhile ago...check em out here:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=750
> They show the house in various stages of construction, as well as the
> interior. Not much interior detail, but peasants had little, right? ;-)
> And yes, there's no fireplace in the first interior pic, but there are in the
> rest of em...it came later. (Thanks for the idea Shiri!)
> -Chris
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In lugnet.castle, Kyle Peterson writes:
> Sheerly awesome! I built 3 similar peasant houses/shops which closely
> resemble the one Chris created. I have a yellow/black tudor, red/black tudor,
> and blue/black tudor. Who needs those specialty tudor pieces when you can
> create the same effect on your own!?
>
> Differences and similarities between mine and Chris's:
>
> 1) I used either the red or black arched/lattice castle windows along with
> shutters for the windows (4 on each house).
>
> 2) I took a different approach to the roof. To obtain a more slanted efffect,
> I used those triangular angled stud pieces found with many Dragon Master sets.
> I then used large plates to fabricate the roof. Of course the roof has studs
> on it and isn't smooth, but you can take the roof off easily.
>
> 3) The upper level is "flared" out like Chris's
>
> 4) used the same style door....on the same side
>
> 5) used the same stud baseplate
>
> 6) I also neglected the fireplace/chimney until the latter stages
>
> My designs do require some hard-to-find pieces though:
> 4 red or black arched castle (lattice) windows
> 9 1x1x2 black hinges
> 1 wooden-style door
> 4 1x4x5? triangular bricks with studs on the angle part
> 8 of the smaller shutters
>
> I really encourage everyone to build their own! You will need quite a few 1xN
> flat black pieces and many 1x1x1 black bricks to create a good tudor effect.
>
> Maybe I'll get some pictures up someday?
>
> If anyone is interested in pics...please e-mail me kyle@peterson.net as I do
> not check this newsgroup often.
>
> Chris, Shiri, would love to hear some feedback!
I have also built a bunch of buildings in this style, although with a roof made
of roof bricks. You are right about the black 1x1's and plates. I managed to
get a near-monopoly on those pieces in the last Auczilla (at great cost!), and
snag a bunch of plates from the K8 grab at Brickfest. I am really glad that the
black roof pieces were part of the initial offering the LEGO direct. Another
very useful piece is the black 2x2 L-plate. I use these to hold everything
together at the corners. Here are some pics taken by Dan Boger of my buildings
at Brickfest. I plan to get some pics of my own up soon.
http://www.giccs.georgetown.edu/~dan/lego/pics/BrickFest00/
The buildings are in:
castleb12.jpg (with my Black Falcon guys in the foreground)
castleb17.jpg (behind my war elephant)
castleb19.jpg (my tavern and magic shop next to Shiri's inn)
castleb22.jpg
castleb23.jpg (the town well)
csatleb26.jpg (the interior of my tavern)
castleb33.jpg (an overall view of the castle layout)
Let me know what you think!
-Marc Nelson Jr.
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Marc,
Great pictures! Wheredya get all that LEGO?
I promised Chris that I'd get a few pictures of my creations to him to put up
on CW.
I also forgot to mention that 1x4x1 black arches are important to get for my
models as well.
Try this: Wherever you have your windows, add an inverted 2x2x1 sloping brick
below the window so that the window rests on half of the brick. On the
exposed 1x2 section place a 1x2 flat single stud piece, and then get
a "basket" and put flowers in it. Now all of your windows have flowers just
outside. It really adds a lot to the houses!! And I believe it adds a touch of
accuracy!
Marc, great job on the houses and castles!
-Kyle
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In lugnet.castle, Kyle Peterson writes:
> Marc,
>
> Great pictures! Wheredya get all that LEGO?
As much as I'd love to take credit for all that cool stuff, only the
timberframe houses, the black magic shop, and the elephant are mine. The rest
was brought by other people for the Castle display at Brickfest 2000. The big
castles in the center were built by Christina Hitchcock of WAMALUG; the outer
wall was mostly Rich Schamus' (also WAMALUG), although Shiri and I also brought
segments; the big grey inn with the red roof is Shiri's.
>
> I promised Chris that I'd get a few pictures of my creations to him to put up
> on CW.
>
> I also forgot to mention that 1x4x1 black arches are important to get for my
> models as well.
I used those with the magic shop to hold the red arched windows. I think they
look too snooty on my regular houses, though.
>
> Try this: Wherever you have your windows, add an inverted 2x2x1 sloping brick
> below the window so that the window rests on half of the brick. On the
> exposed 1x2 section place a 1x2 flat single stud piece, and then get
> a "basket" and put flowers in it. Now all of your windows have flowers just
> outside. It really adds a lot to the houses!! And I believe it adds a touch of
> accuracy!
That is a good idea, but I think it would make my village too pretty. I'm kind
of going for a drab, dirty look (except for the huge bright yellow inn, I
guess). I did just build a red house with a yellow door and shutters. I might
try it on there.
>
> Marc, great job on the houses and castles! • Thanks!
>
> -Kyle
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Wow! I wish I could have made it..Sounds like you guys had a blast!
Where is everyone from?
> As much as I'd love to take credit for all that cool stuff, only the
> timberframe houses, the black magic shop, and the elephant are mine. The rest
> was brought by other people for the Castle display at Brickfest 2000. The big
> castles in the center were built by Christina Hitchcock of WAMALUG; the outer
> wall was mostly Rich Schamus' (also WAMALUG), although Shiri and I also
brought segments; the big grey inn with the red roof is Shiri's.
You are definitely correct....the flowers are for a more new-looking and
cosmopolitan village...perhaps 12th century.
> That is a good idea, but I think it would make my village too pretty. I'm kind
> of going for a drab, dirty look (except for the huge bright yellow inn, I
> guess). I did just build a red house with a yellow door and shutters. I might
> try it on there.
Pictures of my creations will be up tonight..I'll post a link.
-Kyle
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In lugnet.castle, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
> Hey Kyle - Have you seen Eric Kingsley's castle site? He has some really nice
> stuff. His houses were what inspired me to build mine. Here's a link:
> http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/castle/
A note on historical accuracy:
Lego, ah Lego. It's true that when we build we choose how things will look and
we can make any concessions that we want. In Lego, there is no real need for
historical accuracy, but for those who seek it (or something close) I have some
suggestions.
First, go out and get David Macaulay's book Castle. This is a line draw story
that is about the building of a fictitious 13th century castle, but the
backgroung is historically correct.
Peasents would never have had windows, usually they cover opening with oiled
skins. Glass was very expensive and left only for the rich. Most people lived
in one story simple structures, (Eric's houses are bar nore the best here)
while tradesmen live above the shop. The Tudor style started as Wattle and Daub
which is like modern plastering. The heavy beams are a houses skeleton and the
skin is a lathe with Daub mud mixture spread over to keep the elements out.
As for furniture, rarely would peasents or tradesmen have anything more than
log type benches.
Structures differ depending on where in Europe you are, but few are real fancy.
Chris's house is large and could be considered to be a well to do tradesmans or
merchants house.
I think building castles is great, but a real challenge is the town that it
defends!
Have fun...
GREG~
I'm really not this anal, but I thought you would like some ideas.
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Wow, Eric does some excellent work too!
Note on the two tudor buildings on the top of his main picture....those are
how I have my roofs. You can get more of a slant that way.
Most of the houses I have designed have 3 levels, but that is most likely more
of a urban 12th/13th century thing. I model most of my buildings after those
old narrow-street, highly populated cities.
I just managed to get a few of those stained glass window pieces from the new
Knights sets. I hope to make a really ornate-looking church someday as well.
Note: I know what you mean about the red lattice windows looking a bit
prissy. However, they look killer when you place a light inside the house when
displaying. It really hurls you into that "mysterious night, eerie glow from
the village" feel. If that makes any sense?
> Hey Kyle - Have you seen Eric Kingsley's castle site? He has some really nice
> stuff. His houses were what inspired me to build mine. Here's a link:
> http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/castle/
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In lugnet.castle, Kyle Peterson writes:
> Wow, Eric does some excellent work too!
Hey thanks, I still find it strange when my name shows up in a thread I havn't
even participated in... Better be careful or my head will swell, which
wouldn't be good because I already have a 24 inch cranium so there isn't much
room for expansion ;-).
But really thanks. I havn't done much on the Castle side for a few months now.
Actually I havn't had nearly the building time I used to and that time is now
spent on Trains and a Modern town. Most of the Castle stuff is still intact
though and I intend on returning to it one day.
>
> Note on the two tudor buildings on the top of his main picture....those are
> how I have my roofs. You can get more of a slant that way.
Just so we get credit to where it is ultimately due. I stole that idea from
Dave Eaton.
http://www.suave.net/~dave/midtown2.html
I mainly made up the extra peasant houses for a NELUG display we did.
http://www.nelug.org/cswindow2/
> Note: I know what you mean about the red lattice windows looking a bit
> prissy. However, they look killer when you place a light inside the house when
> displaying. It really hurls you into that "mysterious night, eerie glow from
> the village" feel. If that makes any sense?
Hey I like the arch windows I think they are great. If LEGO Direct ever
offered those in bulk I would definitely be working on a huge castle. Other
things LD needs to offer would be Dark Gray Bricks (Great for walls and
Castles) and Arches in many colors and sizes.
> > Hey Kyle - Have you seen Eric Kingsley's castle site? He has some really nice
> > stuff. His houses were what inspired me to build mine. Here's a link:
> > http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/castle/
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
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Thanks for the insight, Greg
There are definitely different levels of "housing" throughout medieval
villages.
As far as my creations go, I'm sticking with the tradesman and merchants
buildings thus far, since they are the ones who make the village go 'round.
Here are a few ideas other than the traditional Blacksmith,Inn,...etc:
Silversmith- utilizing the new silver bricks...somehow
Glass-Blowing
Tailor
Candlemaker- 1x1 round flats for candles? 1x1 cylinders?
Weapon-Forger
Armor-Forger
Masonry
Winery- put those wooden barrels to use!
Leather Shop
I plan for a basic stone or wooden building for the peasant farmers.
Has anyone constructed a medieval Mill, or Windmill even?
My model for a village is 12th Century Rothenburg
I must agree with Greg that building a village is much more challenging than
building a mere castle.
-Kyle
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In lugnet.castle, Greg Howell writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
> A note on historical accuracy:
>
> Lego, ah Lego. It's true that when we build we choose how things will look and
> we can make any concessions that we want. In Lego, there is no real need for
> historical accuracy, but for those who seek it (or something close) I have • some
> suggestions.
> First, go out and get David Macaulay's book Castle. This is a line draw story
> that is about the building of a fictitious 13th century castle, but the
> backgroung is historically correct.
> Peasents would never have had windows, usually they cover opening with oiled
> skins.
Yeah, Castle is a great book, as is Cathedral. I tried using the square flag
pieces (like the cannon shutters on pirate ships) for that, but they didn't
much look like skins, so I just left mine empty. Another really good source of
non-LEGO inspiration is the book Timber-Framed Buildings of England, by RJ
Brown. ISBN: 0709060920 It's $30 on Amazon, but I have mine on loan from work.
Glass was very expensive and left only for the rich. Most people lived
> in one story simple structures, (Eric's houses are bar nore the best here)
> while tradesmen live above the shop. The Tudor style started as Wattle and • Daub
> which is like modern plastering. The heavy beams are a houses skeleton and the
> skin is a lathe with Daub mud mixture spread over to keep the elements out.
> As for furniture, rarely would peasents or tradesmen have anything more than
> log type benches.
On the inside of my one-story houses, I have a ladder going up to a loft. I
don't know how realistic this is, but I thought it looked cool.
> Structures differ depending on where in Europe you are, but few are real • fancy.
> Chris's house is large and could be considered to be a well to do tradesmans • or
> merchants house.
>
> I think building castles is great, but a real challenge is the town that it
> defends!
Oooh! Some of the castle builders here might take issue with that! Having never
built a big castle, I can't say. I would like to build a tower-house, which is
kind of a fortified house which was common in Ireland.
-Marc
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In lugnet.castle, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Greg Howell writes:
Another really good source of
> non-LEGO inspiration is the book Timber-Framed Buildings of England, by RJ
> Brown. ISBN: 0709060920 It's $30 on Amazon, but I have mine on loan from work.
Thanks Marc, I'll look into it. Sounds good. What I really want is a book on
Japanese houses so I can build a little village for my Ninja.
> On the inside of my one-story houses, I have a ladder going up to a loft. I
> don't know how realistic this is, but I thought it looked cool.
I did the exact same thing. I build a little ale...er, cider house for my town,
I couldn't fit a ladder inside, to go to the loft. I built one on the outside,
in a back alley. The loft on my a, (did it again, Cider, Cider, CIDER) Ahem,
Cider house is a little apartment, so accomadations are what you see id what
you get.
Are you using 1X4 tiles and 1X1s for your ladders? I must admit, I copped out
with one of the pre-made hand from the cleet ladders. It works alright.
> Oooh! Some of the castle builders here might take issue with that! Having • never
> built a big castle, I can't say. I would like to build a tower-house, which is
> kind of a fortified house which was common in Ireland.
Really? I did not know that. Thants really cool. Make one, I want to see it. Is
it any thing like the Guarded Inn set? While I give that that is part of the
castle wall section theme, is that the basic idea? Sounds really intriguing.
GREG~
Any one have a nice way to make mini-sheep?
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Okay Eric,
I have some comments on the following link.
> http://www.nelug.org/cswindow2/
First off, that wall and gate house are truly awesome. China should have built
such a wall.
The thing that struck me the most is your seige weapons. Specifically the
Trojan Rabbit (Arthurian Rabbit?...Monty Rabbit?...)
I was concerned because your castle defenses did not seem to have a catapult
large enough to return it to sender...it this hidden somewhere?
Still, it's all very inspireing.
GREG~ (Perhaps if we made a giant beaver...)
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In lugnet.castle, Greg Howell writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
>
> > On the inside of my one-story houses, I have a ladder going up to a loft. I
> > don't know how realistic this is, but I thought it looked cool.
>
> I did the exact same thing. I build a little ale...er, cider house for my • town,
> I couldn't fit a ladder inside, to go to the loft. I built one on the outside,
> in a back alley. The loft on my a, (did it again, Cider, Cider, CIDER) Ahem,
> Cider house is a little apartment, so accomadations are what you see id what
> you get.
> Are you using 1X4 tiles and 1X1s for your ladders? I must admit, I copped out
> with one of the pre-made hand from the cleet ladders. It works alright.
My tavern has stairs made out of bricks, but the other buildings all use the
brown ladder pieces.
>
> > Oooh! Some of the castle builders here might take issue with that! Having • never
> > built a big castle, I can't say. I would like to build a tower-house, which • is
> > kind of a fortified house which was common in Ireland.
>
> Really? I did not know that. Thants really cool. Make one, I want to see it. • Is
> it any thing like the Guarded Inn set? While I give that that is part of the
> castle wall section theme, is that the basic idea? Sounds really intriguing.
No, they don't look nearly as nice as the Guarded Inn. A tower-house was
basically a tower 4 or 5 stories high that the lord (can't remember if these
were native Irish or the English) would live in. There was usually a small wall
enclosing an area around the tower to hold livestock. The tower-houses weren't
strong enough to hold up against a determined attack, but they were good enough
to keep the peasants in line. I'll try and find a picture. Now that I can get
grey bricks from LEGO Direct, I might actually be able to build one.
> Any one have a nice way to make mini-sheep?
Somebody posted some LEGO animals a while back, but I can't remember who. They
had pigs and sheep and a frog, I think.
-Marc
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In lugnet.castle, Wilson Raska writes:
> <snip all the stuff about houses>
>
> > Any one have a nice way to make mini-sheep?
>
> Franklin has a few models of barnyard animals, including sheep:
>
> http://fcain.tripod.com/lego/barnyard.html
>
> Wilson
Wilson,
Your advice has proven most usefull. I will borrow from Franklin (if he will
allow me) and shall have meadows full of critters!
I need to invest in some pink peices for the piggies!
Thanks,
GREG~
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> > > Any one have a nice way to make mini-sheep?
> >
> > Franklin has a few models of barnyard animals,
> > including sheep:
> > http://fcain.tripod.com/lego/barnyard.html
Geez, I'm famous now...
Or would that be "infamous"?...
:-P~~~
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!
> Your advice has proven most usefull.
> I will borrow from Franklin (if he will allow me)
> and shall have meadows full of critters!
Go for it!
(Please slip in a link back to my original document,
though, if you wouldn't mind, just in case
someone else wants to make some of the other critters.)
Franklin
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