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What's up with the Knight's Kingdom line. They have a LOT of weapons included
in each set, but one thing is missing: swords! Not the big silver ones, the
small grey ones. This simple weapon has been around since Castle's
beginnings, but you rarely see one anymore. I believe in all the KK sets, you
find swords in 4(?) sets. That's pitiful. I remember when you bought small
sets that came with two or three swords. SO, TLC, what's up? It's not like
England just ran out of steel! ;)
-Chris
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In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> What's up with the Knight's Kingdom line. They have a LOT of weapons included
> in each set, but one thing is missing: swords! • <snip>
> SO, TLC, what's up? It's not like
> England just ran out of steel! ;)
Actually, it's my belief that the KK sets are France to the RK's England.
Britain and France have always had close ties, with many British kings
(for example) holding land in France. Both nations had lions as important
parts of their heraldry as well.
Note the names of the kings as well. The Royal King is officially
"Richard Lion-Hearted", at least in some countries, while "Leo" is clearly
a name from a Romance language of some sort.
When you consider the Pirates timeline in addition to Castle, I think most
everyone agrees that the redcoats are British and the bluecoats are
French. (The Armada is Spanish of course, but they're not important right
now.) Note the similarity in design between the redcoats and bluecoats -
and then the similarity in design between the RKs and the KKs.
I think the implications are clear. The RKs eventually evolve into teh
redcoats, and the KKs into the bluecoats - making them England and France
respectively.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 8) It has nothing at all to do
with the paucity of swords in current castle sets, though. Maybe LD will
offer them as one of the "rotating" elements, and we can all get together
and order a metric boatload of them.
J
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> > What's up with the Knight's Kingdom line. They have a LOT of weapons • included
> > in each set, but one thing is missing: swords! • <snip>
> > SO, TLC, what's up? It's not like
> > England just ran out of steel! ;)
>
> Actually, it's my belief that the KK sets are France to the RK's England.
> Britain and France have always had close ties, with many British kings
> (for example) holding land in France. Both nations had lions as important
> parts of their heraldry as well.
>
> Note the names of the kings as well. The Royal King is officially
> "Richard Lion-Hearted", at least in some countries, while "Leo" is clearly
> a name from a Romance language of some sort.
>
> When you consider the Pirates timeline in addition to Castle, I think most
> everyone agrees that the redcoats are British and the bluecoats are
> French. (The Armada is Spanish of course, but they're not important right
> now.) Note the similarity in design between the redcoats and bluecoats -
> and then the similarity in design between the RKs and the KKs.
>
> I think the implications are clear. The RKs eventually evolve into teh
> redcoats, and the KKs into the bluecoats - making them England and France
> respectively.
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 8) It has nothing at all to do
> with the paucity of swords in current castle sets, though. Maybe LD will
> offer them as one of the "rotating" elements, and we can all get together
> and order a metric boatload of them.
>
> J
Actually, I think they're more of a take on British soldiers. Ever seen
Braveheart? Even though it's just a movie, it depicts the English VERY
closely to King Leo's Soldiers, especially the helmets and lion emblems. But
that doesn't change the fact that there's no swords. As for as the LD thing,
I wouldn't mind one bit.
-Chris
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> When you consider the Pirates timeline in addition to Castle, I think most
> everyone agrees that the redcoats are British and the bluecoats are
> French. (The Armada is Spanish of course, but they're not important right
> now.) Note the similarity in design between the redcoats and bluecoats -
> and then the similarity in design between the RKs and the KKs.
>
> I think the implications are clear. The RKs eventually evolve into teh
> redcoats, and the KKs into the bluecoats - making them England and France
> respectively.
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 8) It has nothing at all to do
> with the paucity of swords in current castle sets, though. Maybe LD will
> offer them as one of the "rotating" elements, and we can all get together
> and order a metric boatload of them.
>
> J
The British naval officers wore blue coats. The British Marines wore red. Of
course, you can make 'em whatever you want - I use 'em all as British or French
and British as fancy takes me.
Bruce
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Jason Catena wrote:
> Their marines wore *red*?
>
> Wouldn't that make them excellent targets? ;)
Yes, but they'd look good while dying.
J.
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> The British naval officers wore blue coats. The British Marines wore red.
> Of course, you can make 'em whatever you want - I use 'em all as British or
> French and British as fancy takes me.
*boggle*
Their marines wore *red*?
Wouldn't that make them excellent targets? ;)
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In lugnet.pirates, Jason Catena writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > The British naval officers wore blue coats. The British Marines wore red.
> > Of course, you can make 'em whatever you want - I use 'em all as British or
> > French and British as fancy takes me.
>
> *boggle*
>
> Their marines wore *red*?
>
> Wouldn't that make them excellent targets? ;)
Why do you think the Americans beat their [bottoms] off in 1776? It wasn't
just determination; these guys were obvious targets, and couldn't get around
rough terrain, while the locals knew all about camouflage and the good hiding
places... :-)
-Shiri
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In lugnet.pirates, Jason Catena writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > The British naval officers wore blue coats. The British Marines wore red.
> > Of course, you can make 'em whatever you want - I use 'em all as British or
> > French and British as fancy takes me.
>
> *boggle*
>
> Their marines wore *red*?
>
> Wouldn't that make them excellent targets? ;)
1. Think smoothbore musket - good luck hitting anything with it at distance.
2. British land troops were often refered to as redcoats. It's nothing new for
the marines for the brits to be wearing red.
3. Most troops were brightly colored during this period - you usually aimed at
a vast body of men from extremely close range. It didn't matter if you were
brightly colored or not. Feldgrau at 100 paces wouldn't do you a lot of good,
and less with bayonet or sword.
4. You're the captain of a ship - *the* primary target for sharpshooters. Do
you want to be wearing red or the guys whose primary duty was to fight? :-)
Bruce
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In lugnet.pirates, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Jason Catena writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > The British naval officers wore blue coats. The British Marines wore red.
> > > Of course, you can make 'em whatever you want - I use 'em all as British or
> > > French and British as fancy takes me.
> >
> > *boggle*
> >
> > Their marines wore *red*?
> >
> > Wouldn't that make them excellent targets? ;)
>
> Why do you think the Americans beat their [bottoms] off in 1776? It wasn't
> just determination; these guys were obvious targets, and couldn't get around
> rough terrain, while the locals knew all about camouflage and the good hiding
> places... :-)
>
> -Shiri
Early Bill Cosby routine....
Bruce
(OoooOOooo, showing my age)
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In lugnet.pirates, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Early Bill Cosby routine....
>
> Bruce
> (OoooOOooo, showing my age)
What makes you say that?
I'm sixteen, and I still know the Bill Cosby stuff. Pretty well, at that. :-)
-Shiri
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Jeff, mon ami, If Knights' Kingdom represents France, why oh why, are they
waving flags similar to the Scottish bars (although the X is gold instead of
white)? Eventually, they'll represent my kinfolk, the Irish. Oh, I could see it
now, a little brown-skinned Irish minifig, putting in Princess Storm in her
place.... (Having trouble seeing black Irish folk? Think Ivar from Mystic
Knights.) They already have tried their hand at my other kinfolk, the Native
Americans (Cherokee to be precise...).
James J.
(Don't just 'play well', play better!)
P.S.: On the sword deal, I miss them too, but I'd REALLY like to see a Ninja
katana in the bluish Aquazone chrome!
In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> > What's up with the Knight's Kingdom line. They have a LOT of weapons • included
> > in each set, but one thing is missing: swords! • <snip>
> > SO, TLC, what's up? It's not like
> > England just ran out of steel! ;)
>
> Actually, it's my belief that the KK sets are France to the RK's England.
> Britain and France have always had close ties, with many British kings
> (for example) holding land in France. Both nations had lions as important
> parts of their heraldry as well.
>
> Note the names of the kings as well. The Royal King is officially
> "Richard Lion-Hearted", at least in some countries, while "Leo" is clearly
> a name from a Romance language of some sort.
>
> When you consider the Pirates timeline in addition to Castle, I think most
> everyone agrees that the redcoats are British and the bluecoats are
> French. (The Armada is Spanish of course, but they're not important right
> now.) Note the similarity in design between the redcoats and bluecoats -
> and then the similarity in design between the RKs and the KKs.
>
> I think the implications are clear. The RKs eventually evolve into teh
> redcoats, and the KKs into the bluecoats - making them England and France
> respectively.
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 8) It has nothing at all to do
> with the paucity of swords in current castle sets, though. Maybe LD will
> offer them as one of the "rotating" elements, and we can all get together
> and order a metric boatload of them.
>
> J
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In lugnet.pirates, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > Early Bill Cosby routine....
> >
> > Bruce
> > (OoooOOooo, showing my age)
>
> What makes you say that?
> I'm sixteen, and I still know the Bill Cosby stuff. Pretty well, at that. :-)
>
> -Shiri
Ummmmmmm, I saw him perform it live (he doesn't go back and do old stuff).
Bruce
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In lugnet.pirates, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Shiri Dori writes:
> > In lugnet.pirates, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > Early Bill Cosby routine....
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > > (OoooOOooo, showing my age)
> >
> > What makes you say that?
> > I'm sixteen, and I still know the Bill Cosby stuff. Pretty well, at that. :-)
> >
> > -Shiri
>
> Ummmmmmm, I saw him perform it live (he doesn't go back and do old stuff).
OK, I take it back. :-)
-Shiri
xfut .o-t.fun
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"James J." wrote:
> Jeff, mon ami, If Knights' Kingdom represents France, why oh why, are they
> waving flags similar to the Scottish bars (although the X is gold instead of
> white)? Eventually, they'll represent my kinfolk, the Irish. Oh, I could see it
> now, a little brown-skinned Irish minifig, putting in Princess Storm in her
> place.... (Having trouble seeing black Irish folk? Think Ivar from Mystic
> Knights.) They already have tried their hand at my other kinfolk, the Native
> Americans (Cherokee to be precise...).
The X symbol is venerable and could appear any number of places. I'm in agreement
that Knight's Kingdom most closely represents France ("The whole known world"
pretty much describes the mediaeval Frankish/French view, IMHO); just as Dark
Forest screamed "Nottingham," the Cowpack fellers strike me as barbarians of a
distinctly Continental and Germanic sort.
> P.S.: On the sword deal, I miss them too, but I'd REALLY like to see a Ninja
> katana in the bluish Aquazone chrome!
It's not quite that colour, but you *have* I hope seen the new "Robo Riders"--one
of the units, the rainforest critter, has two trans-green or trans-blue katanas.
best
LFB
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In lugnet.castle, James Jackson writes:
> Jeff, mon ami, If Knights' Kingdom represents France, why oh why, are they
> waving flags similar to the Scottish bars (although the X is gold instead of
> white)? Eventually, they'll represent my kinfolk, the Irish. Oh, I could see • it
> now, a little brown-skinned Irish minifig, putting in Princess Storm in her
> place.... (Having trouble seeing black Irish folk? Think Ivar from Mystic
> Knights.) They already have tried their hand at my other kinfolk, the Native
> Americans (Cherokee to be precise...).
Well James, I am not sure if TLG was trying to represent a specific American
Indian tribe (I doubt it), but these minifigs don't look like they are wearing
traditional Cherokee styles of clothing. For one thing, Cherokee men would
normally wear a sort of turban on their heads, not feathered headdresses.
Tony
Another Cherokee and Irish AFOL
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In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> "James J." wrote:
>
> > P.S.: On the sword deal, I miss them too, but I'd REALLY like to see a Ninja
> > katana in the bluish Aquazone chrome!
>
> It's not quite that colour, but you *have* I hope seen the new "Robo
> Riders"--one of the units, the rainforest critter, has two trans-green or
> trans-blue Katanas.
Actually, the katanas are teal. :) "Frost" comes with trans-light blue
spears, though. :)
Jeff
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In lugnet.pirates, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Shiri Dori writes:
> > In lugnet.pirates, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > Early Bill Cosby routine....
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > > (OoooOOooo, showing my age)
> >
> > What makes you say that?
> > I'm sixteen, and I still know the Bill Cosby stuff. Pretty well, at that. :-)
> >
> > -Shiri
>
> Ummmmmmm, I saw him perform it live (he doesn't go back and do old stuff).
>
> Bruce
I have that one on tape (actually transfered from record to tape)! I'll have to
listen for Bruce laughing sometime... :)
DaveE
(fut fun)
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > "James J." wrote:
> >
> > > P.S.: On the sword deal, I miss them too, but I'd REALLY like to see a • Ninja
> > > katana in the bluish Aquazone chrome!
> >
> > It's not quite that colour, but you *have* I hope seen the new "Robo
> > Riders"--one of the units, the rainforest critter, has two trans-green or
> > trans-blue Katanas.
>
> Actually, the katanas are teal. :) "Frost" comes with trans-light blue
> spears, though. :)
Oh! Thanks, and nuts (sorta)--I was hoping for trans.
But teal is good! I can use teal. The trans-spears will
be very interesting, however--I can alraedy think of many
.castle uses (and .adventurers ones!) for those little
fellers.
best
Lindsay
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In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > > It's not quite that colour, but you *have* I hope seen the new "Robo
> > > Riders"--one of the units, the rainforest critter, has two trans-green or
> > > trans-blue Katanas.
> >
> > Actually, the katanas are teal. :) "Frost" comes with trans-light blue
> > spears, though. :)
>
> Oh! Thanks, and nuts (sorta)--I was hoping for trans. But teal is good! I
> can use teal.
Yeah, I know. Trans-green would make a decent Lightning Blade...
> The trans-spears will be very interesting, however--I can alraedy think of
> many .castle uses (and .adventurers ones!) for those little fellers.
Yup, they're gonna be cool. Arctic Knights, neat spell effects, building
decorations... So many possibilities! :)
Jeff
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > Oh! Thanks, and nuts (sorta)--I was hoping for trans. But teal is good! I
> > can use teal.
>
> Yeah, I know. Trans-green would make a decent Lightning Blade...
I forgot to mention how neat they'd look coupled with a Red Ninja! :)
Jeff
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In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> The trans-spears will
> be very interesting, however--I can alraedy think of many
> .castle uses (and .adventurers ones!) for those little
> fellers.
Yep! There were numerous threads about this when the first 2000 catalog pics
came out... I can't wait till the "frost" set is released!
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > The trans-spears will
> > be very interesting, however--I can alraedy think of many
> > .castle uses (and .adventurers ones!) for those little
> > fellers.
>
> Yep! There were numerous threads about this when the first 2000 catalog pics
> came out... I can't wait till the "frost" set is released!
>
> -Shiri
Aye, the only reason I'll shell out the 6 bucks is the spears. Prolly buy two
or three of them, and trade the rest of the stuff away.
-Chris
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In lugnet.castle, Tony A. Rowe writes:
> In lugnet.castle, James Jackson writes:
> > Jeff, mon ami, If Knights' Kingdom represents France, why oh why, are they
> > waving flags similar to the Scottish bars (although the X is gold instead of
> > white)? Eventually, they'll represent my kinfolk, the Irish. Oh, I could see • it
> > now, a little brown-skinned Irish minifig, putting in Princess Storm in her
> > place.... (Having trouble seeing black Irish folk? Think Ivar from Mystic
> > Knights.) They already have tried their hand at my other kinfolk, the Native
> > Americans (Cherokee to be precise...).
>
> Well James, I am not sure if TLG was trying to represent a specific American
> Indian tribe (I doubt it), but these minifigs don't look like they are wearing
> traditional Cherokee styles of clothing. For one thing, Cherokee men would
> normally wear a sort of turban on their heads, not feathered headdresses.
>
> Tony
>
> Another Cherokee and Irish AFOL
I didn't mean that TLG's "Indians" were specifically Cherokee, I meant that I
am specifically a Cherokee descendant. As far as I know, they were going for a
basic Southwestern "Indian" design.
-- James J.
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In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
>
>
> "James J." wrote:
>
> > Jeff, mon ami, If Knights' Kingdom represents France, why oh why, are they
> > waving flags similar to the Scottish bars (although the X is gold instead of
> > white)? Eventually, they'll represent my kinfolk, the Irish. Oh, I could see • it
> > now, a little brown-skinned Irish minifig, putting in Princess Storm in her
> > place.... (Having trouble seeing black Irish folk? Think Ivar from Mystic
> > Knights.) They already have tried their hand at my other kinfolk, the Native
> > Americans.
>
> The X symbol is venerable and could appear any number of places. I'm in • agreement
> that Knight's Kingdom most closely represents France ("The whole known world"
> pretty much describes the mediaeval Frankish/French view, IMHO); just as Dark
> Forest screamed "Nottingham," the Cowpack fellers strike me as barbarians of a
> distinctly Continental and Germanic sort.
>
> > P.S.: On the sword deal, I miss them too, but I'd REALLY like to see a Ninja
> > katana in the bluish Aquazone chrome!
>
> It's not quite that colour, but you *have* I hope seen the new "Robo • Riders"--one
> of the units, the rainforest critter, has two trans-green or trans-blue • katanas.
>
> best
>
> LFB
Mademoiselle Braun,
I'll keep that in mind, but keep in mind that the acutal Knights/Guards of
the kingdom wear Spanish hat-shaped helmets and possibly armor too.
The Bulls do have a Germanic or even nomadic look to them, but they are
slightly more juvenile than even the worst of previous Castle face-paintings.
James J.
P.S.: I thought the ordinary Forestmen screamed "Nottingham", right down to
their river crossing. I wonder what the Wolfpack scream, other than "owoooo!"?
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In lugnet.castle, James Jackson writes:
> Mademoiselle Braun,
Just FTR: Lindsay is a monsieur, not a mademoiselle...
> P.S.: I thought the ordinary Forestmen screamed "Nottingham", right down to
> their river crossing. I wonder what the Wolfpack scream, other than "owoooo!"?
Arr, arr, arroo! Or maybe arr, arr, archaic?! I have no idea ;-)
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.castle, James Jackson writes:
> > Mademoiselle Braun,
>
> Just FTR: Lindsay is a monsieur, not a mademoiselle...
Oh. My mistake then.
> > P.S.: I thought the ordinary Forestmen screamed "Nottingham", right down to
> > their river crossing. I wonder what the Wolfpack scream, other than • "owoooo!"?
>
> Arr, arr, arroo! Or maybe arr, arr, archaic?! I have no idea ;-)
>
> -Shiri
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