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Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Jordan Bradford wrote:
> Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
I believe this topic has been mention before that is no reason to create a new
newsgroup. The reason for the robotics newsgroup is cover all areas of
robotics: 'Mindstorms','RCX', 'NXT, etc.
I am starting to feel there is 'TOO' many newsgroups within the same general
themes. Where there is a break down or 'click' groups type like in school is
starting to form.
The next thing someone is gonna request:
lugnet.plates
lugnet.bricks
lugnet.special-ops
lugnet.minifigs
lugnet.wheels
lugnet.bandcamp
lugnet.etc.etc.etc.
lugnet.blah.blah.blah
lugnet.ego
lugnet.superego
lugnet.freedom
lugnet.braveheart
lugnet.boogiemonster
Just my 2 bricks
-Abner
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Abner Finley wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Jordan Bradford wrote:
> > Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
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> I believe this topic has been mention before that is no reason to create a new
> newsgroup. The reason for the robotics newsgroup is cover all areas of
> robotics: 'Mindstorms','RCX', 'NXT, etc.
>
> I am starting to feel there is 'TOO' many newsgroups within the same general
> themes. Where there is a break down or 'click' groups type like in school is
> starting to form.
I disagree. I think there are many things pertaining specifically to NXT which
don't need to go in the general robotics group. Which also has a sub-group for
all the other programmable bricks. I would certainly like to see a NXT-specofoc
sub-group.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Abner Finley wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Jordan Bradford wrote:
> > Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
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> I believe this topic has been mention before that is no reason to create a new
> newsgroup. The reason for the robotics newsgroup is cover all areas of
> robotics: 'Mindstorms','RCX', 'NXT, etc.
Actually I thought the decision was more of a 'wait and see' than a definite 'no
reason to'. There were quite a few very enthusiastic responses to having an NXT
group created, and three our four equally enthusiastic disagreements initially.
But what I gathered was that it was just premature to create one when the NXT
had just been announced. Personally, considering the volume of messages, I feel
that was a mistake: we should have created one right away. All non-NXT messages
have been totally drowned in the flood of excitement about the new product.
In <http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=24946> Suz says, "The new group is set up
only after the need has made itself clear and proven itself significant." She
also said, "Members of the robotics community can always request one if that's
what they want, of course."
So perhaps it's time to ask this question again. Or perhaps we should wait until
the NXT is actually in people's hands. But let's have reasonable arguments one
way or another. Creating a NXT group is completely different from creating a
brick or plate group.
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David Schilling
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In lugnet.robotics, David Schilling wrote:
> So perhaps it's time to ask this question again. Or perhaps we should wait until
> the NXT is actually in people's hands. But let's have reasonable arguments one
> way or another. Creating a NXT group is completely different from creating a
> brick or plate group.
I am in favor of creating a new group. Just as we wouldn't want messages about
the Spybot brick or the Scout brick getting lost in a sea of messages about the
RCX we do not want messages specific to the RCX to be lost in a sea of messages
about the NXT. The intent behind a hierarchical newsgroup structure is to
enable focused conversations to go on at the deepest levels of the hierarchy
while more generalized conversations take place at the shallower levels. From
the mailing list perspective and the web interface perspective having a new
sub-group has no negative impact and it does not divide the robotics group into
cliques. If you want to view all lugnet.robotics messages you simply read at
that level. If you are interested in only .NXT messages then you drill down
another level and then you can never see a message about Spybot bricks while
your focus is on the NXT.
John Hansen
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In lugnet.robotics, John Hansen wrote:
> I am in favor of creating a new group. Just as we wouldn't want messages about
> the Spybot brick or the Scout brick getting lost in a sea of messages about the
> RCX we do not want messages specific to the RCX to be lost in a sea of messages
> about the NXT. The intent behind a hierarchical newsgroup structure is to
> enable focused conversations to go on at the deepest levels of the hierarchy
> while more generalized conversations take place at the shallower levels. From
> the mailing list perspective and the web interface perspective having a new
> sub-group has no negative impact and it does not divide the robotics group into
> cliques. If you want to view all lugnet.robotics messages you simply read at
> that level. If you are interested in only .NXT messages then you drill down
> another level and then you can never see a message about Spybot bricks while
> your focus is on the NXT.
>
> John Hansen
Thanks, John. You've described things well.
I'm holding off on creating a new group for a few reasons. One is: when more
information comes to light about the NXT, it may become apparent that 'RCX' is a
good place for discussion of it.
(Heh, At that point I'd wish I had named a group "Mindstorms" to encompass both,
though I do remember I didn't because it is a product name which could have
changed at the LEGO company's whim. as opposed to the hardware names which are
solid.)
If the consensus remains that NXT hardware is significantly different than any
other, and it's discussion is offensive to the other robotics sub-groups, then I
will surely create a new group, and I'll do it soon. I believe this is likely.
additional comments still appreciated.
-Suz
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In lugnet.robotics, Suzanne Rich wrote:
> I'm holding off on creating a new group for a few reasons. One is: when more
> information comes to light about the NXT, it may become apparent that 'RCX' is a
> good place for discussion of it.
As I've been one of the lucky few who have had the opportunity to play with the
NXT as part of the MDP, I can tell you that these two are vastly different
beasts. I've found the hardware, software, even building techniques to be
significantly different using the NXT vs. my trusty RCXs. Yes, there is some
overlap, but I think there is going to be a lot of NXT only discussions,
especially software related. This is the concern I think others have been
alluding to. I like the idea of separate groups not because I can filter out
either set of discussions (RCX vs. NXT) but I can look at each one individually
without the chance of missing an important message in either.
This leads me to the NeXT point. Others have pointed to the number of NXT
related posts already. YOU HAVEN"T SEEN ANYTHING YET! If my experience in the
MDP has taught me anything, it is that there will be LOTS of discussion.
> If the consensus remains that NXT hardware is significantly different than any
> other, and it's discussion is offensive to the other robotics sub-groups, then I
> will surely create a new group, and I'll do it soon. I believe this is likely.
Personally I don't think "offensive" is the correct term, but what I would hate
to see is people who post here looking for help with an RCX related issue only
to have their question lost in the sea of NXT posts (especially new visitors, as
this may turn them off to LUGNET). In my mind, it is simply a # of posts and
convenience issue.
my $.02 for what it's worth
John
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Jordan Bradford wrote:
> Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
What's the current consensus on this?
Personally, I'm feeling like we should add a group, and do it now, as people are
beginning to receive their sets. But I don't use this area frequently.
Would we have a volunteer for curator of this new area? The job would involve
management of the sidebar of the LUGNET web interface, and being a welcoming
face for those entering the community. Underlying pages can be created, for
things like an NXT FAQ, which would probably live at: lugnet.robotics.nxt/faq/
And a list of links to useful sites and helpful resources. [I've already noticed
a lot out there: commercial ventures, specialized curriculum, hardware test
results, and other great stuff. MOCs too, of course!]
If we do decide to add the group, I'd only be concerned about the non-inclusion
of the large quantity of info that's been shared thus far. Because, I'd hate to
see redundant querries from newcomers. Plus, the NXT group sort of has it's own
history already. ...What if we made an early post to the new group with a list
of links to the prior discussions? (we'd need a volunteer to assemble one.) Is
it even a legitimate concern? Would there be a better way of acomplishing
something like that (other than re-posting)? Reposting can be tough, as I
understand it, and makes a mailbox-burden for e-mail subscribers.
Please share your thoughts, everyone!
-Suz
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RE: NXT newsgroup needed
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lugnet.robotics
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Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:12:07 GMT
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Liz Bilbro <liz@bookwyrmz.com^nomorespam^>
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I like the idea of the newsgroups staying together -- I mean having one
newsgroup for RCX and NXT stuff. I read all the information. I like seeing
what people think of the NXT and how they are using it. I'd rather not
monitor two lists.
I intend on owning both kinds. I have tons of RCXs and have 2 educational
NXT sets on order.
Aren't most people thinking they'll end up owning both types of Mindstorms?
And this list is LEGO Robotics...
My 2 cents,
Liz
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I can see most groups in one place, as I use most of them like a
mailing list (although this means I miss out on the joy of FTX).
I tend to agree that I would like to see both NXT and RCX stuff as
well as a lot of the other robotics and lego stuff, but also that NXT
discussion is, and will continue to drown out other discussion if left
in the same group. There is already a .RCX group, so a .NXT group
would certainly be appropriate.
So using the web interface, or as a mailing list, I can get to see all
the levels. This might not be quite so easy reading them via NNTP
though.
My vote is a yes to create a .NXT group.
--
Danny Staple MBCS
OrionRobots
http://orionrobots.co.uk
(Full contact details available through website)
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My thought is to have a single Mindstorm group because I think almost everyone is interested in both. I only have a single RCX and am not planning on upgrading anytime soon (got into RCX relatively late in the game). In fact I am hoping to find a bunch of bargain priced RCX's sometime down the road. I am definitely interested in all the NXT info though. How about a standard of putting NXT and/or RCX in the subject line and then anyone who wants to filter the messages can.
----- Original Message ----
From: danny staple <danny@orionrobots.co.uk>
To: lego-robotics@crynwr.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2006 5:51:26 AM
Subject: Re: NXT newsgroup needed
I can see most groups in one place, as I use most of them like a
mailing list (although this means I miss out on the joy of FTX).
I tend to agree that I would like to see both NXT and RCX stuff as
well as a lot of the other robotics and lego stuff, but also that NXT
discussion is, and will continue to drown out other discussion if left
in the same group. There is already a .RCX group, so a .NXT group
would certainly be appropriate.
So using the web interface, or as a mailing list, I can get to see all
the levels. This might not be quite so easy reading them via NNTP
though.
My vote is a yes to create a .NXT group.
--
Danny Staple MBCS
OrionRobots
http://orionrobots.co.uk
(Full contact details available through website)
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Hi Robert,
That would work for us on a mailing list, but not those who want to
differentiate by drilling down on the web interface.
If you are on a mailing list, it really is pretty painless to
subscribe to more than one list.
I think having two groups under the robotics tree is the most flexible
approach. Dont forget that ome relevant posts may also be cross posted
as well, or posted to the general robotics instead.
By taking the most flexible approach, we can keep lugnet as accesible
as possible. On that note, is there any chance of there being RSS
feeds for groups in Lugnet for those who are just skimming or
syndication?
Danny
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Danny Staple MBCS
OrionRobots
http://orionrobots.co.uk/blogs/dannystaple
(Full contact details available through website)
On 04/07/06, robert hampton <lego-robotics@crynwr.com> wrote:
> My thought is to have a single Mindstorm group because I think almost everyone is interested in both. I only have a single RCX and am not planning on upgrading anytime soon (got into RCX relatively late in the game). In fact I am hoping to find a bunch of bargain priced RCX's sometime down the road. I am definitely interested in all the NXT info though. How about a standard of putting NXT and/or RCX in the subject line and then anyone who wants to filter the messages can.
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: danny staple <danny@orionrobots.co.uk>
> To: lego-robotics@crynwr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2006 5:51:26 AM
> Subject: Re: NXT newsgroup needed
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>
> I can see most groups in one place, as I use most of them like a
> mailing list (although this means I miss out on the joy of FTX).
>
> I tend to agree that I would like to see both NXT and RCX stuff as
> well as a lot of the other robotics and lego stuff, but also that NXT
> discussion is, and will continue to drown out other discussion if left
> in the same group. There is already a .RCX group, so a .NXT group
> would certainly be appropriate.
>
> So using the web interface, or as a mailing list, I can get to see all
> the levels. This might not be quite so easy reading them via NNTP
> though.
>
> My vote is a yes to create a .NXT group.
> --
> Danny Staple MBCS
> OrionRobots
> http://orionrobots.co.uk
> (Full contact details available through website)
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In lugnet.robotics, Danny Staple wrote:
> ... is there any chance of there being RSS feeds for groups in Lugnet
> for those who are just skimming or syndication?
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> Danny
At the moment, I'd suggest looking at these, if you haven't already:
http://peeron.com/inv/ticker
-Suz
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In lugnet.robotics, Suzanne Rich wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Jordan Bradford wrote:
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Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
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I started this thread, so obviously my vote is for creating a separate NXT
group.
In other posts some people indicated they’d like all discussions grouped
together so they’re easier to see in news reading software.
It’s been my habit to post to the most specific group I can, and then cross post
to levels higher up. A post about the RCX from me would be in both
lugnet.robotics.rcx and lugnet.robotics with the follow-up group set to
lugnet.robotics.rcx. That way people at the higher level at least see the first
post in the thread if their software makes them subscribe to each subgroup.
I noticed the RCX subgroup itself has subgroups for different languages
(lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc), and presumably many of those languages will be
NXT-compatible eventually. I think a bigger issue/decision to make concerns
them.
Do we want to split programming discussions based on the hardware?
lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc
lugnet.robotics.nxt.nqc
A given language will be pretty much the same regardless of what hardware you’re
running it on . . . or will it? I guess this is only applicable to the non-GUI
languages. Clearly the new NXT-exclusive graphical language can’t be put under
lugnet.robotics.rcx, so where else would it go? It would have to be under
lugnet.robotics.nxt.newGraphicalLanguage
Thus, we need lugnet.robotics.nxt for that, too.
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In lugnet.robotics, Suzanne Rich wrote:
> If we do decide to add the group, I'd only be concerned about the non-inclusion
> of the large quantity of info that's been shared thus far. Because, I'd hate to
> see redundant querries from newcomers. Plus, the NXT group sort of has it's own
> history already. ...What if we made an early post to the new group with a list
> of links to the prior discussions? (we'd need a volunteer to assemble one.) Is
> it even a legitimate concern? Would there be a better way of acomplishing
> something like that (other than re-posting)? Reposting can be tough, as I
> understand it, and makes a mailbox-burden for e-mail subscribers.
Suz, I wouldn't worry too much about this - once NXT becomes widely available, a
separate group will more than have its justification. You'll always find
newcomer questions in such groups, as happens on all forums or lists, and the
well-established search feature of LUGNET as well as the increasing quality of
search engine indexing of the news will help to keep these requests on a
reasonable level.
As someone loosely interested in Mindstorms (owning quite a few sets and waiting
to order an NXT later this year) I favor a separate group as NXT is different
from previous robotics sets in a great many ways. RCX aficionados certainly will
not want to discuss NXT details when they are not considering an upgrade /
switch, while at the same time NXT problems won't be helped if they go under in
the number of RCX-related posts in a general group. As for issues relating to
more than one architecture, cross-posting is a valid and well-established way to
handle this within LUGNET.
So I certainly vote yes for an NXT group plus related pages if anyone is willing
and able to contribute there.
Jerry
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In lugnet.robotics, Gereon Stein wrote:
> In lugnet.robotics, Suzanne Rich wrote:
> > If we do decide to add the group, I'd only be concerned about the non-
> > inclusion of the large quantity of info that's been shared thus far. • [...]
> > Is it even a legitimate concern?
> Suz, I wouldn't worry too much about this - once NXT becomes widely available, a
> separate group will more than have its justification. You'll always find
> newcomer questions in such groups, as happens on all forums or lists, and the
> well-established search feature of LUGNET as well as the increasing quality of
> search engine indexing of the news will help to keep these requests on a
> reasonable level.
Ah, yes. I see. And yesterday a friend told me much the same thing. So, I
understand both the logic and wisdom of what you are saying, and I agree.
> [..] RCX aficionados certainly will not want to discuss NXT details when they
> are not considering an upgrade / switch, [...]
true. I believe there are a fair number of such people.
> As for issues relating to more than one architecture, cross-posting is a
> valid and well-established way to handle this within LUGNET.
good point. (obvious as it is..)
> So I certainly vote yes for an NXT group plus related pages if anyone is
> willing and able to contribute there.
Agreed. thanks.
(others' comments also appreciated.)
-Suz
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In lugnet.robotics, Suzanne Rich wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Jordan Bradford wrote:
> > Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
>
> What's the current consensus on this?
I vote yes please.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.robotics, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > Can we get a lugnet.robotics.nxt newsgroup soon?
> > What's the current consensus on this?
> I vote yes please.
Another YES from me.
Roger Glassey
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I still think it would be a good idea to have a separate NXT group.
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David Schilling
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