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(3 URLs) Well I finally completed a coach set I have been dreaming about building for years. I tend to be drawn to color scheme (aka livery) than body shape, which is totally in sync with my predisposition to rare LEGO colored elements. And of (...) (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX) !!
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oops, here are the fixed broken links... Moc Page: (URL) or BrickShelf: (URL) (...) SteveB (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Glad you didn't wait too much longer. Those are really fantastic. JB (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Steven Barile wrote: (snip) Holy smokes, these are amazing. Lots of new detail ideas to steal, er, borrow, like the truck steps... Bravo. Thanks for sharing with us all. (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Those are SSchweet! The medium orange is a dead-ringer. Since you are a Compressionist, I'll not belittle your placing the wheels side-by-side. But if you are going to do that, why not go for broke and add that third axle? But what I'd really (...) (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) WOW... super looking cars! Great work Steve, thanks for posting. Robin Werner GFLTC (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Oh, those are just lovely. Great great great use of the not-quite-orange orange color. One very minor nit? They look like they could use some more greebling on the undercarriage. And a question - what sort of locomotive will be pulling these (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Larry, I see you posted a Visitor review on steve's MOC Page... "Larry Pieniazek (from Ada, Michigan, USA,Earth) March 28, 2005 Wow. This is a tour de force! Whether prototypical or not, it would totally rock to see these pulled by JT's DRGW (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Sure! and as soon as LEGO makes that car hood piece available in his orange, he could just crib my design and he'd be all set. I wonder if I should ldraw it? But I still think that these cars would look SWEET behind JT's black and orange (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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This era coach can go both ways actually, diesel or steam. As Larry sugeested the element selection in medium orange is very limited, the F7s would be hard to model in real Brick, even though I love them. So I have been planning on a black steamer. (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) That's a truly lovely set of carriages. I really like the livery and am glad you didn't take the shortcut of using regular orange. Although I'm going to be fla(y/m)ed royally for this, the greys look like they could be replaced by... bleys... (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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I actually mentioned that dark blay might have been a better choice for the roof in the MOC pages text. I'm a huge fan of new colors, no insult at all! I only wish I had a ton of blay / dark blay to work with... Actually the pearlesque gray would (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Steve, These coaches look gr-gr-gr-great! The 4-color livery really pops for the eye. Looking forward to your loc of choice to pull this set. later, James Mathis (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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I have to say I love this, you really seem to be on a roll at the moment. The choice of protoype is good, the livery is very attractive and the choice of orange makes for a great model. These is one (or five) of those models that work at two levels, (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Oops! I really should have read that 'blay' word there. I'll excuse myself by pleading language differences (Aus/US) so my eyes weren't drawn to it. Yeah! That'll work. The current orange looks perfect to me but then I am colour blind so that (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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I'm going to reply to my own post, bad form I know but I seems to do it all the time! What I meant to get across with my last paragraph, but completely failed was that I feel that this is like a great TLC/TLG set, in the same way that the Santa Fe (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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I LOVE constructive criticism!!!!! I really appreciate the time and effort that it takes! This is my first time using stickers rather than water slide decals and I kind of don't like them! So you obviously picked up on that vibe. I have some (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) [Snip a lot] Thanks for sharing these pictures Steve! Your coaches are really beautiful. I love designs with more than just two (or three) colours. And as Larry mentioned: these stairs are really worth to be copied! Regards, Ben (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) One thing I did to get them straight was to make the sticker the height of a whole brick (I was sticking them on whole bricks), I printed cut lines on the sticker sheets to make sure that the lettering was straight on the sticker. I know what (...) (20 years ago, 29-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Hi Steve, I just agree the positive feedback posted in this thread. These coaches look great and, more important than anything else, you seems having fun to build them. (I particularly like the color scheme (aka livery) :-)) One point I am (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I think it depends on what you are trying to acheive. In this example Steve has used compression pretty well, its not as a compressed as a Lego designed train but he has managed to chop a considerable amount out without it looking 'wrong' (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Can't speak for anyone else, but I see it as just about mandatory to do anything useable, and still have bricks left over. Replicating every window, every seat, every rivet is just not possible, so leave some out, as long as the feeling is (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Just a thought, brought on by you mentioning leaving windows out. Some European HO manufacturers compress the length of long coaches in HO. They do this by having the basic scale of 1:87 but having the length modelled to 1:100. this means that (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Less windows, in my view. Typically, most modelers feel compression works better by having less of a repeating element instead of making the element smaller (you could do some searching of back issues of model railroad magazines for articles (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. Part of the skill (and fun) in building anything real in Lego is to leave in what is essential to the character and leave out what you can get away with to ensure functionality. So, the skill required is beyond simply making something (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Personally, I try and avoid it like the plague. I consider building 6 wide trains an (unnecessary) exercise in width compression. Of all the types of compression, this particular one makes a train look wonky IMO. There is just no getting (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Please. Are you implying that you wouldn't have literally 100,000s of bricks "left over"? Or are you speaking for anyone else? :-) (...) (URL) THESE> evoke the feeling of passenger cars as well, so what is the point? Are you about "evoking (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Now they ARE cool! Tim (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I like mine sunny side up;-) JOHN (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) LMAO! Those are cute! I HATE it when I walk in late on an interesting thread and everthing I want to say has been said already :-( (I hope I don't offend anyone by posting these links, but IMO, these are examples where selective compression (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) It's the age old debate b/w 6 and 8 (or other) wide. For me, there are three overwhelming factors for my love of 6 wide and 'selective compression'-- 1. since the minifig isn't to the same scale as a person in all dimensions, making a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Samarth Moray wrote: <snip> (...) Then you get this-- (URL) I have bookmarked and still go there every so often to have a boo at the wonderfulness that is 6 wide... Dave K (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) With engines I always try to build to scale as far as possible, with coaches this usually isn't possible due to length vs curve radius and a few other practical limitations. Around 50-60 studs would be the max for length of any rail vehicle. (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Hey! That looks remarkably similar to Josh Baakko's 8-wide version! (URL) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Eggliners are a good joke... But to me, they do NOT capture the essence of a train car. There is a place you have to know where to stop compressing and they went TOO far. That is why in my ATSF project, I made the cars LONGER than Lego chose (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I think it all boils down to what PURPOSE you want your train MOC to have. Whether you want it to be just a beautiful display piece, to run on a layout, or hey, even a mixture of the two. A good example of the former would be this model (IMO) (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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To All, Interesting discussion. Anyhow, (...) Just to clarify on a few things - this is Stefan Garcia's creation, and IIRC, he was trying to get a DTI engine with all of his available orange, and this was the result. Stefan has done some remarkable (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) LOL, I know its Stefan's, I talk to him online. (I hope he doesn't hold my posting that link against me o_o) But I was unaware of the story behind the diesel, thanks for it. I am also aware that he has a big collection, the lucky devil. (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Agreed, those models aren't built primarily for their running qualities. (...) Except that I found out (second hand, I wasn't there, I was in S'pore) that it's not as good a runner as I had hoped. Needs tuning on a big layout... Sigh. I agree (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Seems to me you have a lot of problem(s) running LOL! ;-) Legoswami Highly subtle one, 50/50 chance you'll get it, IMO. (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I usually want it to do both... My Gls box cars & all my engines are pretty much uncompressed. If I look at (URL) , by Ludger Havighorst, I also see true-to-scale trains which run fine. It's just a matter of picking out a model which lends (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) While I tend to agree with you, and I build to 'scale', I actually think that producing a compressed but right looking model is harder. While you avoid some of the problems of building to scale (need for more brick, problems with corners, etc) (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I know what you mean. When I see a fine compressed train, as in a James Mathis creation, the word that comes to my mind is "cute". LEGO train sets are "cute". In particular, I remember loving the cuteness of the (URL) Club Car> when it first (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Funny, when I see a fine looking (when on static display) 8 wide model on a curve, even a curve/straight/curve curve, the word that comes to mind is "ridiculous". If and when LEGO ever makes decent radii, I might switch. But till then, no. I (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Too bad YOU don't care enough to take up the challenge presented by those articulations ;-) (...) I'm sure he's talking about 8-wides in general. Like, I dunno, not just his.... Also, while we're at it, you misspelled 'nobody' ;-P I think my (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Trying for the record for fasted suggestion to "rejected" on LUGNET?(1) Go for it! Everybody's got to try to be good at something I guess. XFUT off-topic.fun 1 - "smilies" is already on the rejected list, I think... (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) If you were a tricky fellow, you could use it already. (URL) Jason Spears | (URL) House of Bricks> | (URL) BrickCentral> | (URL) MichLUG> | (URL) CLB> (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) That's interesting. I've never had the wonky weave problem. Perhaps it is because we go curve-straight-curve-straight (never 2 curves together). (...) Yeah, and bats will fly out of my butt! (...) <shrug> We build to run as well. And you will (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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<Throws bucket of cold water on the whole 6-wide vs. 8-wide posturing...> Build what you like. If it runs, great! If not, either live with it, or rebuild it. My take is as long as the 'trainheads' recognize what I'm trying to build, I've done a good (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Me too. (...) I have the same issue there... How do you apply them? I have found a technique that helps, somewhat... (maybe you use it already, I dunno). Take your clean and oil free Xacto brand model knife and put the corner of the sticker on (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I beg to differ. My minifigs recently came out in protest against the increased noise levels and pollution of trialling a proposed 8-wide design. I didn't have enough green 1x2 tiles with '100' print to contest the issue so will be sticking to (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) You're right. No fun, but right. So get J2 to shut up, he's the main instigator of the "bigger is better" thing... you'd think he's compensating for something. (although Spencer and his 7 wide automobiles certainly don't help matters) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) You send the rope, duct tape, and concrete and we'll find someone large named Chuck, Giudo, or Chuckles. (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Hey, why don't you shut your piehole? A simple question was asked by Didier to the community asking what people thought of compressionism, and I responded. If you don't like my response, then keep it to yourself. (...) Ahem. "Family forum", (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Sadly, not possible. I'd be willing to bet he talks in his sleep. We still wonder where Ross got his building abilities. Maybe his mother? (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) At least you've tried it Jason. A lot of the critics of wider trains haven't had a decent go at it. It takes tenacity to make it work. I've been at it for 9 years now! If Lar is waiting for wider radius curves before trying it, let's see his (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I felt uncomfortable with compressionism (for my own MOCs) and I prefered not compress, choosing between staying stuck in 6-wide or not running my trains on difficult layout (uneven, curved,...). This thread (and Steve's beautiful colored (...) (20 years ago, 4-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Ugh, I can't stand it. We just had a layout that used c-s-c-s-c-s-c to avoid a track overlap, and I felt like puking as the trains went bobbing through it. I can only imagine how those poor minifigs felt. As for the 8-wide debate, we all know (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains)
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A very close friend has been recently teaching me a lot about not trying to change others. It's hard for me and as I try grow in this particular direction I have become more sensitive to it and I see it in most everyone. :) I think that we should (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Better that way than having several clubmembers coming to you asking what that stupid big engine did to their trackside structures. (I was the only 8-wide builder at the time and built my engines big, heavy and as overpowered as possible :D ) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Sorry, that's what I meant, apologies if that wasn't clear. Steve's right though, you need to stop hassling people about their desires (and they need to stop hassling you about yours)... (20 years ago, 6-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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