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Re: And a new hopper car
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Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:44:56 GMT
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JOHNNEAL@saynotospamUSWEST.NET
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KCS (?) used these cars in coal fields in Kansas and Arkansas and
presumably intended them as dual-purpose equipment. They were built in the
company shops in Pittsburgh, KANSAS and were used in service until the
'80s.
As for other lines using this type of car I am not aware...yet;-)
(searching)
-John
Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Hmm... not sure I agree. At least not totally. It's muddy, and different
> railroads use different terms, as do different car manufacturers. I
> spent some time chasing my tail starting from www.nmra.org but didn't
> come up with anything definitive.
>
> I KNOW some old Trains mag or another has a glossary but it's not
> definitive.
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> I would say that a basic gondola, unmodified, has low sides and no
> bottom openings.
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> I would say that a basic hopper, unmodified, has high sides and dump
> chutes (that is, not just openings, but sloped sides to ensure complete
> discharge).
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> But there are so many variations that it's impossible to strictly
> classify.
>
> Prior to the advent of unit trains, high sided cars without dumper
> openings were very rare as they were essentially useless. Very labor
> intensive to empty them.
>
> Gondolas with any sort of bottom openings have ALWAYS been rare. But the
> low sided gondola itself, no matter how modified, is becoming rarer each
> year, as is the generic box car. Both are no longer all that useful.
> General freight moves in containers. Bulk loads move in specialized cars
> such as grain cars (a kind of covered hopper), coil steel cars (a flat
> or gon with a cover), and so forth.
>
> Keeping up can be confusing.
>
> --
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| (...) What do you mean by "these" in this context? I mention a lot of car types. cars in coal fields in Kansas and Arkansas and (...) I know that drop bottom gons were used in MOW service a fair bit, they are capable of carrying ballast and dumping (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| Hmm... not sure I agree. At least not totally. It's muddy, and different railroads use different terms, as do different car manufacturers. I spent some time chasing my tail starting from www.nmra.org but didn't come up with anything definitive. I (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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