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| | | Larry shield: Is this a gondola not a hopper??? SteveB Steven Barile wrote in message ... (...) fact (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) Yup, that would be a gondola. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) It's probably a gon. I think the defining characteristic of a hopper is that it has bottom doors. However there is some muddyness... In particular, you often will hear unit train cars called hoppers, but they have no bottom doors/chutes, they (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) The most definitive thing I see as characterizing a gondola v.s. a hopper is that hoppers are tall and gondolas are short. Gondolas with bottom doors/chutes are usually refered to as drop bottom gondolas. (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —John Neal
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| | | | | Frank Filz wrote: What you have failed to consider is the hopper/gondola hybrid, which looks like a cut-off hopper car. Of course, I would defer to Lar for definitive details;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | Hmm... not sure I agree. At least not totally. It's muddy, and different railroads use different terms, as do different car manufacturers. I spent some time chasing my tail starting from www.nmra.org but didn't come up with anything definitive. I (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —John Neal
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| | | | KCS (?) used these cars in coal fields in Kansas and Arkansas and presumably intended them as dual-purpose equipment. They were built in the company shops in Pittsburgh, KANSAS and were used in service until the '80s. As for other lines using this (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) What do you mean by "these" in this context? I mention a lot of car types. cars in coal fields in Kansas and Arkansas and (...) I know that drop bottom gons were used in MOW service a fair bit, they are capable of carrying ballast and dumping (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Sorry, I was referring to the KCS (Kansas City Southern Lines) custom hopper/gondola cars they built. (...) Yes, drop-bottom gons are another hybrid type, but different. Those were literary gons whose bottoms dropped [1]. The hopper/gondola I (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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