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| | | Hi all, I just added a couple shots of a new hopper car. Not much to it, in fact I'm sure I saw this technique before, but I'm not sure who from. The only stroke of gray matter is the gray stripes, they seem to set off the thin wall bricks. My last (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Steven Barile
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| | | | Larry shield: Is this a gondola not a hopper??? SteveB Steven Barile wrote in message ... (...) fact (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) Yup, that would be a gondola. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) It's probably a gon. I think the defining characteristic of a hopper is that it has bottom doors. However there is some muddyness... In particular, you often will hear unit train cars called hoppers, but they have no bottom doors/chutes, they (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) The most definitive thing I see as characterizing a gondola v.s. a hopper is that hoppers are tall and gondolas are short. Gondolas with bottom doors/chutes are usually refered to as drop bottom gondolas. (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —John Neal
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| | | | | Frank Filz wrote: What you have failed to consider is the hopper/gondola hybrid, which looks like a cut-off hopper car. Of course, I would defer to Lar for definitive details;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | Hmm... not sure I agree. At least not totally. It's muddy, and different railroads use different terms, as do different car manufacturers. I spent some time chasing my tail starting from www.nmra.org but didn't come up with anything definitive. I (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —John Neal
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| | | | KCS (?) used these cars in coal fields in Kansas and Arkansas and presumably intended them as dual-purpose equipment. They were built in the company shops in Pittsburgh, KANSAS and were used in service until the '80s. As for other lines using this (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) What do you mean by "these" in this context? I mention a lot of car types. cars in coal fields in Kansas and Arkansas and (...) I know that drop bottom gons were used in MOW service a fair bit, they are capable of carrying ballast and dumping (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: And a new hopper car —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Sorry, I was referring to the KCS (Kansas City Southern Lines) custom hopper/gondola cars they built. (...) Yes, drop-bottom gons are another hybrid type, but different. Those were literary gons whose bottoms dropped [1]. The hopper/gondola I (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.trains)
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