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Re: New MOC: Large scale 2-truck Shay
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Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:42:52 GMT
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First of all i would like to say nice work. As a shay builder also i have a
keen interest in what you have done.
I know a little about shays, I researched them before I built my engine, and
log cars/ log loader. (unfortunatly I don't have pictures of the log loader
up yet - they were at brickfest) Most of what I know comes from the shays
that ran/run at Cass West, Virginia. So I apologize if my comments are
specific to Cass, although I don't think they are.
A little side note: You can ride in some shays - several are still working
in Cass West Virginia. I had a chance to ride on the Cass #11 two weeks ago,
I took a lot of pictures which I am going to use to redisign my engine
completely.
In lugnet.trains, Will Vale writes:
> Thanks for the kind words!
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> > Any plans for log cars?
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> Only in the sense of "I fancy making some log cars", no designs
> or anything. I can see at least two issues with this:
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> * I don't have anything like enough brown to make logs, so the
> load'll probably be real wood.
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> * I'll need to come up with a truck design that doesn't use a
> train motor as a basis. This poses problems because there'll
> be a lot less lateral room to mount side plates and build up
> detail. Perhaps a non-SNOT (SOT?) approach would be better here.
I may have missed what you are saying here. but the log cars are regular
train cars. ie. they are not driven via gears. So you should be able to
build them using the standard wheels.
> Ideally I'd make two or three log buggies and a caboose, enough
> to get a short train together. I suspect that a caboose on a
> backwoods logger is overkill, but they fit my preconceptions of
> American railroading nicely...
At Cass, most trains did not include caboose. (Even today)
Some trains did carry box cars. These were used as living area for the
loggers. But even these were off loaded at the logging site left there until
the logging site moved. For most trips only log cars were used.
What you do need is a tender. Shay tenders are gears, and they hold water.
> The other problem with a full train is that I've done some more
> extensive (i.e. not just a straight track with an S-bend) testing
> and the crank shaft case and truck gearboxes foul the power clips
> on the inside of bends. I think it should be possible to modify
> the trucks to cope simply enough, but the crank case could be more
> tricky. Time and experimentation will tell. I think the pilots might
> cause some problems with couplers as well, but that should be
> trivial to fix.
I had the same problem with my shay, i redesigned the trucks several times.
The trucks in the pictures you see did not work because of points and the
power clips. The final design looks good, but it is very fragile. It does
use snot in several places.
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| (...) Thanks! (...) Cool. I looked at your Shay (Cass #5?) while I was hunting around for both prototype info and prior art. (...) Are there any good WWW resources with more than just a few grainy "piston side" photos of real Shays? I found some (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.trains)
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| Thanks for the kind words! (...) Only in the sense of "I fancy making some log cars", no designs or anything. I can see at least two issues with this: * I don't have anything like enough brown to make logs, so the load'll probably be real wood. * (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.trains)
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