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Hi Bionicle Fans out there,
hopefully someone at LEGO Direct will read this too and can clarify the things.
In Europe the randomly assorted mask bags (#8530) came out in february. I
picked up many of these bags already. To be excactly I do have more than 70
of these bags, which means I spent about US$150 for these masks so far for a
collection of about 150 masks.
However, I am seriously dissapointed now as I had to find out that LEGO has
put in some nastiness here - what rotten luck! Want to know why I am so
dissapointed? Then take a look at the statistics I came up with:
http://www.brickmaster.de/images/bio_masks_list.gif
[Image showing a list of masks I own.]
You will see a list of all possible mask combinations as well as the number
of copies that I own of each combination.
It is more than obvious that these bags are *not at all* randomly assorted!
Out of the 150 masks that I bought, there were no masks at all from the
following colours:
orange, ltgreen, tan, ltblue, grey, dkgrey!
However, I do have more than 50 black masks. That is 30% of the masks being
black although LEGO announces twelve different colours in their catalogues,
magazines and on the bags themselves!
But read on as it's even more barefaced! Obviously, TLC has not even
produced all the different shapes of the masks they announced! There were
only 8 shapes in the bags I picked up out of 12 possible shapes. How can
that be possible? Spending US$150 on these bags (no child will ever pay that
much) and still have no single Huna, Mahiki, Komau or Rau mask? That's more
than weird and definitely a dirty trick in order to make as much money as
possible. No kid will ever be able to get all the masks shown on the bags:
http://www.brickmaster.de/images/bio_masks2_temp.jpg
[Image showing the back of the bags (#8530).]
Yes, take a close look at the bags LEGO is selling and you'll see many
combinations there that will never be sold!
LEGO, I'd really like to get some answers on these - I know someone is
listening (as LEGO seems to be very concerned about their Bionicle theme) so
get anyone at LEGO Direct behind the screen and explain the following:
- How does it come that LEGO only sells 48 different masks rather than 72 as
announced? (even more than 144 combinations are possible anyway)
- Why are more than 30% of all masks black and six other colours missing
completely? (as well as missing shapes)
- Why were the masks Matatu and Ruru produced in other colours than shown on
the bag? (for example no green Ruru should be available according to the bags)
- How can it be that I already have ten copies of one certain mask, but zero
copies of another one? (that's anything but randomly assorted)
- Will we ever see the 'unknown' type of mask that is shown right in the
middle of all masks ?
I think it's really a disgrace to LEGO to start such a lousy marketing
strategy. Even the kids will soon find out that they were leg-pulled and
LEGO never produced all the masks they show on the bags. Of course - once
the kids find out that they were cheated, then it'll be too late for them as
they've already spent all their money on the Bionicle stuff. However, a very
bad taste of disappointment about the LEGO brand will stay in their minds! I
don't think they'll buy LEGO any time soon again. What a stupid dirty trick
LEGO is playing on them!
Product #8530 totally sucks - play well!
Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
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Lugnet Member #479 -- The World is full of AFOLs !
mail: xtian@brickmaster.de web: www.brickmaster.de
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This reminds me of how hard it is to get the 7-dot Throwbot [Slizer] discs.
If this were Pokémon cards, rare items would be understandible, but these
"collectible" items are merely there to support sets which are available in
plenty. I really wish Lego wouldn't jerk us around like this.
Ray Kremer
http://throwbots.virtualave.net/
In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Christian Gemünden writes:
> In Europe the randomly assorted mask bags (#8530) came out in february. I
> picked up many of these bags already. To be excactly I do have more than 70
> of these bags, which means I spent about US$150 for these masks so far for a
> collection of about 150 masks.
>
> It is more than obvious that these bags are *not at all* randomly assorted!
>
> I think it's really a disgrace to LEGO to start such a lousy marketing
> strategy. Even the kids will soon find out that they were leg-pulled and
> LEGO never produced all the masks they show on the bags. Of course - once
> the kids find out that they were cheated, then it'll be too late for them as
> they've already spent all their money on the Bionicle stuff. However, a very
> bad taste of disappointment about the LEGO brand will stay in their minds! I
> don't think they'll buy LEGO any time soon again. What a stupid dirty trick
> LEGO is playing on them!
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Christian Gemuenden <xtian@brickmaster.de> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: G8JqM8.Du7@lugnet.com...
> Hi Bionicle Fans out there,
>
> hopefully someone at LEGO Direct will read this too and can clarify the things.
>
> However, I am seriously dissapointed now as I had to find out that LEGO has
> put in some nastiness here - what rotten luck!
I second Christian's opinion: #8530 is a total rip-off by Lego. My kids bought some of these masks to find out that they have bought
once again the masks with the same colours that are already included in the basic TOA sets (browm mask of Pohatu etc..). Basically
they made the same experience as Christian did. Though I'm quite liberal, and my children are generally allowed to buy what they
want from their pocket money, I have now forbidden to buy more copies of #8530. I hate to see that Lego is ripping off children, but
this is exactly what Lego does. Shame on you, Lego.
Arnold
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In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Christian Gemünden writes:
> >
> > > In Europe the randomly assorted mask bags (#8530) came out in february. I
> > > picked up many of these bags already. To be excactly I do have more than • 70
> > > of these bags, which means I spent about US$150 for these masks so far • for a
> > > collection of about 150 masks.
> > >
> > > It is more than obvious that these bags are *not at all* randomly
> assorted!
Maybe the mask bag are in a certain prodution order, a certain number now, a
couple weeks later some different masks, a so on and so forth. Only a couple
different masks are availible now, both in the cans and the separate bags.
Probably done so they can stretch the product line over 2 years or how ever
long. I bought 10 of each Throwbot/Slizers from a variety of sources: Lego
S@H, K-mart(online and Off), KBkids(online and Off), Etoys, Target (Online)
and All I ever got for the original 8 were 2 pip and 3 pip discs.(NONE
OTHERS) I didn't do this a one time either, I spent 18 months from start to
finish, and I am still going (Need 3 more Flares- why is he hard to find) So
either all my sets even over a period of time all came from a first
prodution run, or I am exteremly unlucky. Maybe with the releases of each
new "Web Event" they will change prodution lines or runs.
Just my $00.02
//VR Keef
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No matter what Lego says, the distribution of discs in the Throwbot/Slizer
sets was not Random. The pictures of the sets that were on the on-lin catalog
showed exactly the discs that came with the sets. The extra disc boxes aren't
quite random either, as you are guaranteed to get one disc of each pip value (2
through 6) and only if you're lucky, a 7 pip disc in addition to or instead of
the 6 pip disc. The major problem with this is everybody already has all eight
2 nad 3 pip discs from the sets, but you end up getting more of them just to
get the higher pip discs. What a crock.
> Maybe the mask bag are in a certain prodution order, a certain number now, a
> couple weeks later some different masks, a so on and so forth. Only a couple
> different masks are availible now, both in the cans and the separate bags.
> Probably done so they can stretch the product line over 2 years or how ever
> long. I bought 10 of each Throwbot/Slizers from a variety of sources: Lego
> S@H, K-mart(online and Off), KBkids(online and Off), Etoys, Target (Online)
> and All I ever got for the original 8 were 2 pip and 3 pip discs.(NONE
> OTHERS) I didn't do this a one time either, I spent 18 months from start to
> finish, and I am still going (Need 3 more Flares- why is he hard to find) So
> either all my sets even over a period of time all came from a first
> prodution run, or I am exteremly unlucky. Maybe with the releases of each
> new "Web Event" they will change prodution lines or runs.
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You know your right I sould have know that the extra disc box has THE EXTRA
DISCS! what an oversite on my part. So if that was the case, and all the
current mask bags have the same masks, the only way to get new ones is to
have Lego produce more. One quick guestion- what masks have already been
released and are they in any certian order when compared to the back of the
bag. Maybe this is how they will roll out with the news one. (Another
question have any of the turaga maskx or the evil masks been in the bags)
//VR Keef
In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Ray Kremer writes:
> No matter what Lego says, the distribution of discs in the Throwbot/Slizer
> sets was not Random. The pictures of the sets that were on the on-lin catalog
> showed exactly the discs that came with the sets. The extra disc boxes aren't
> quite random either, as you are guaranteed to get one disc of each pip value (2
> through 6) and only if you're lucky, a 7 pip disc in addition to or instead of
> the 6 pip disc. The major problem with this is everybody already has all eight
> 2 nad 3 pip discs from the sets, but you end up getting more of them just to
> get the higher pip discs. What a crock.
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You know your right I sould have know that the extra disc box has THE EXTRA
DISCS! what an oversite on my part. So if that was the case, and all the
current mask bags have the same masks, the only way to get new ones is to
have Lego produce more. One quick guestion- what masks have already been
released and are they in any certian order when compared to the back of the
bag. Maybe this is how they will roll out with the news one. (Another
question have any of the turaga maskx or the evil masks been in the bags)
//VR Keef
In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Ray Kremer writes:
> No matter what Lego says, the distribution of discs in the Throwbot/Slizer
> sets was not Random. The pictures of the sets that were on the on-lin catalog
> showed exactly the discs that came with the sets. The extra disc boxes aren't
> quite random either, as you are guaranteed to get one disc of each pip value (2
> through 6) and only if you're lucky, a 7 pip disc in addition to or instead of
> the 6 pip disc. The major problem with this is everybody already has all eight
> 2 nad 3 pip discs from the sets, but you end up getting more of them just to
> get the higher pip discs. What a crock.
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In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Ray Kremer writes:
> The major problem with this is everybody already has all
> eight
> 2 nad 3 pip discs from the sets, but you end up getting more of them just to
> get the higher pip discs. What a crock.
Uh, no. It's called "collectability". The higher pip value ones were more
rare that the lower pip value ones.
It's the same thing done with Magic cards, Pokemon cards... well, just about
any kind of card, really. You get lots of more common cards for every rarer
card. If you want all the cards- including all the rare ones- you either have
to trade for the other rare ones, or end up with a lot of more common ones.
If you feel ripped off by that, you should probably not bother to try to
collect them all. Collecting isn't for everyone.
eric
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> (Snip)
> I bought 10 of each Throwbot/Slizers from a variety of sources: Lego
> S@H, K-mart(online and Off), KBkids(online and Off), Etoys, Target (Online)
> and All I ever got for the original 8 were 2 pip and 3 pip discs.
> (Snip)
The throwbots each come with two certain disks: One of their disks, and one of
another throwbots disk, always the same (e.g. Jet comes with one of his disks
(two pip), and with one of Granite's disks (3pip).). 4,5,6,7, ect. disks only
come in the extra disk boxes. Sorry you wasted $150 for a whole lot of 2 and 3
disks. On the bright side, you could save five bucks on a Checkers set (no,
wait... the board will cost you too.). Uh, let me know if you don't want any
ball joints ;-) .
NICK (-:
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To Christian and everyone else who is concerned about this issue,
I'm just posting to let you guys know that we *are* looking into this. I
don't have enough information yet to give you any answers, but I or someone
else will post when we do.
Tomas Clark
Producer, LEGO Direct
In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Christian Gemünden writes:
> Hi Bionicle Fans out there,
>
> hopefully someone at LEGO Direct will read this too and can clarify the things.
>
>
> In Europe the randomly assorted mask bags (#8530) came out in february. I
> picked up many of these bags already. To be excactly I do have more than 70
> of these bags, which means I spent about US$150 for these masks so far for a
> collection of about 150 masks.
>
> However, I am seriously dissapointed now as I had to find out that LEGO has
> put in some nastiness here - what rotten luck! Want to know why I am so
> dissapointed? Then take a look at the statistics I came up with:
>
> http://www.brickmaster.de/images/bio_masks_list.gif
>
> [Image showing a list of masks I own.]
>
> You will see a list of all possible mask combinations as well as the number
> of copies that I own of each combination.
>
> It is more than obvious that these bags are *not at all* randomly assorted!
> Out of the 150 masks that I bought, there were no masks at all from the
> following colours:
> orange, ltgreen, tan, ltblue, grey, dkgrey!
> However, I do have more than 50 black masks. That is 30% of the masks being
> black although LEGO announces twelve different colours in their catalogues,
> magazines and on the bags themselves!
>
> But read on as it's even more barefaced! Obviously, TLC has not even
> produced all the different shapes of the masks they announced! There were
> only 8 shapes in the bags I picked up out of 12 possible shapes. How can
> that be possible? Spending US$150 on these bags (no child will ever pay that
> much) and still have no single Huna, Mahiki, Komau or Rau mask? That's more
> than weird and definitely a dirty trick in order to make as much money as
> possible. No kid will ever be able to get all the masks shown on the bags:
>
> http://www.brickmaster.de/images/bio_masks2_temp.jpg
>
> [Image showing the back of the bags (#8530).]
>
> Yes, take a close look at the bags LEGO is selling and you'll see many
> combinations there that will never be sold!
>
>
> LEGO, I'd really like to get some answers on these - I know someone is
> listening (as LEGO seems to be very concerned about their Bionicle theme) so
> get anyone at LEGO Direct behind the screen and explain the following:
>
> - How does it come that LEGO only sells 48 different masks rather than 72 as
> announced? (even more than 144 combinations are possible anyway)
> - Why are more than 30% of all masks black and six other colours missing
> completely? (as well as missing shapes)
> - Why were the masks Matatu and Ruru produced in other colours than shown on
> the bag? (for example no green Ruru should be available according to the bags)
> - How can it be that I already have ten copies of one certain mask, but zero
> copies of another one? (that's anything but randomly assorted)
> - Will we ever see the 'unknown' type of mask that is shown right in the
> middle of all masks ?
>
>
> I think it's really a disgrace to LEGO to start such a lousy marketing
> strategy. Even the kids will soon find out that they were leg-pulled and
> LEGO never produced all the masks they show on the bags. Of course - once
> the kids find out that they were cheated, then it'll be too late for them as
> they've already spent all their money on the Bionicle stuff. However, a very
> bad taste of disappointment about the LEGO brand will stay in their minds! I
> don't think they'll buy LEGO any time soon again. What a stupid dirty trick
> LEGO is playing on them!
>
> Product #8530 totally sucks - play well!
>
>
> Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
> --------------------------------------------------
> Lugnet Member #479 -- The World is full of AFOLs !
> mail: xtian@brickmaster.de web: www.brickmaster.de
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I too, was going to try to collect all of the masks when they launch in
September. Since you are trying very hard and have not yet suceeded, are you
willing to part with the oodles of copys you have. Since I have none and you
have obviously already started, are you willing to part with the extras that
are now doubt filling up a drawer or shelfspace. I would buy at least 5 of
each copy/color (of the ones you can part with) if such an arangement can be
made. It might offset the cost incured on you on your continuing quest for
the Kanohi Masks of Power, mmuhahaahahaha!!!... Whoops sorry I got a little
carried away.
//VR Keef
> In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Christian Gemünden writes:
> > In Europe the randomly assorted mask bags (#8530) came out in february. I
> > picked up many of these bags already. To be excactly I do have more than 70
> > of these bags, which means I spent about US$150 for these masks so far for a
> > collection of about 150 masks.
> >
> > Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
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"Tomas Clark" <tomas.clark@america.lego.com> wrote:
> To Christian and everyone else who is concerned about this issue,
>
> I'm just posting to let you guys know that we *are* looking into this. I
> don't have enough information yet to give you any answers, but I or someone
> else will post when we do.
>
> Tomas Clark
> Producer, LEGO Direct
...Wow! Well, good to know all our comments aren't totally wasted... Good to
know someone is listening and looking into it. I'll wait for more posts and
info!
>
> In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Christian Gemünden writes:
> > Hi Bionicle Fans out there,
> >
> > hopefully someone at LEGO Direct will read this too and can clarify the things.
> >
> >
> > In Europe the randomly assorted mask bags (#8530) came out in february. I
> > picked up many of these bags already. To be excactly I do have more than 70
> > of these bags, which means I spent about US$150 for these masks so far for a
> > collection of about 150 masks.
> >
> > However, I am seriously dissapointed now as I had to find out that LEGO has
> > put in some nastiness here - what rotten luck! Want to know why I am so
> > dissapointed? Then take a look at the statistics I came up with:
> >
> > http://www.brickmaster.de/images/bio_masks_list.gif
> >
> > [Image showing a list of masks I own.]
> >
> > You will see a list of all possible mask combinations as well as the number
> > of copies that I own of each combination.
> >
> > It is more than obvious that these bags are *not at all* randomly assorted!
> > Out of the 150 masks that I bought, there were no masks at all from the
> > following colours:
> > orange, ltgreen, tan, ltblue, grey, dkgrey!
> > However, I do have more than 50 black masks. That is 30% of the masks being
> > black although LEGO announces twelve different colours in their catalogues,
> > magazines and on the bags themselves!
> >
> > But read on as it's even more barefaced! Obviously, TLC has not even
> > produced all the different shapes of the masks they announced! There were
> > only 8 shapes in the bags I picked up out of 12 possible shapes. How can
> > that be possible? Spending US$150 on these bags (no child will ever pay that
> > much) and still have no single Huna, Mahiki, Komau or Rau mask? That's more
> > than weird and definitely a dirty trick in order to make as much money as
> > possible. No kid will ever be able to get all the masks shown on the bags:
> >
> > http://www.brickmaster.de/images/bio_masks2_temp.jpg
> >
> > [Image showing the back of the bags (#8530).]
> >
> > Yes, take a close look at the bags LEGO is selling and you'll see many
> > combinations there that will never be sold!
> >
> >
> > LEGO, I'd really like to get some answers on these - I know someone is
> > listening (as LEGO seems to be very concerned about their Bionicle theme) so
> > get anyone at LEGO Direct behind the screen and explain the following:
> >
> > - How does it come that LEGO only sells 48 different masks rather than 72 as
> > announced? (even more than 144 combinations are possible anyway)
> > - Why are more than 30% of all masks black and six other colours missing
> > completely? (as well as missing shapes)
> > - Why were the masks Matatu and Ruru produced in other colours than shown on
> > the bag? (for example no green Ruru should be available according to the bags)
> > - How can it be that I already have ten copies of one certain mask, but zero
> > copies of another one? (that's anything but randomly assorted)
> > - Will we ever see the 'unknown' type of mask that is shown right in the
> > middle of all masks ?
> >
> >
> > I think it's really a disgrace to LEGO to start such a lousy marketing
> > strategy. Even the kids will soon find out that they were leg-pulled and
> > LEGO never produced all the masks they show on the bags. Of course - once
> > the kids find out that they were cheated, then it'll be too late for them as
> > they've already spent all their money on the Bionicle stuff. However, a very
> > bad taste of disappointment about the LEGO brand will stay in their minds! I
> > don't think they'll buy LEGO any time soon again. What a stupid dirty trick
> > LEGO is playing on them!
> >
> > Product #8530 totally sucks - play well!
> >
> >
> > Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > Lugnet Member #479 -- The World is full of AFOLs !
> > mail: xtian@brickmaster.de web: www.brickmaster.de
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In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Tomas Clark writes:
> To Christian and everyone else who is concerned about this issue,
>
> I'm just posting to let you guys know that we *are* looking into this. I
> don't have enough information yet to give you any answers, but I or someone
> else will post when we do.
>
> Tomas Clark
> Producer, LEGO Direct
Excellent!
Thanks a lot for these few lines. Although that won't help me anything right
now, I can at least be sure that someone at LD does care about it and will
hopefully be able to do something regarding the masks. I doubt that I'll buy
any new mask packs until there's a more detailed reply though.
However, I for one still doubt that all the masks have been produced yet.
Maybe everything will clarify in April when the Turaga Sets show up, maybe
not. Accoring to the latest Rumors there will even be "48 US only McDonalds
exclusive masks" in totally new colours. You might want to check the plans
for future masks as well then, looks like the collection will turn out to be
extremely confusing, maybe there'll be more and more masks next year (Slizer
and RoboRider both had at least one set a year after the first releases).
Hoping to hear from LEGO Direct soon!
Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
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Lugnet Member #479 -- The World is full of AFOLs !
mail: xtian@brickmaster.de web: www.brickmaster.de
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You what!!!!" McDonalds PROMO Mask
You better check that again Lego, that is not on.....
Unless we will be able to get them from every McDonalds in all European
Countries, not just the US
Michael
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"Christian Gemuenden" <xtian@brickmaster.de> wrote in message
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> In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Tomas Clark writes:
> > To Christian and everyone else who is concerned about this issue,
> >
> > I'm just posting to let you guys know that we *are* looking into this. I
> > don't have enough information yet to give you any answers, but I or • someone
> > else will post when we do.
> >
> > Tomas Clark
> > Producer, LEGO Direct
>
> Excellent!
>
> Thanks a lot for these few lines. Although that won't help me anything • right
> now, I can at least be sure that someone at LD does care about it and will
> hopefully be able to do something regarding the masks. I doubt that I'll • buy
> any new mask packs until there's a more detailed reply though.
>
> However, I for one still doubt that all the masks have been produced yet.
> Maybe everything will clarify in April when the Turaga Sets show up, maybe
> not. Accoring to the latest Rumors there will even be "48 US only • McDonalds
> exclusive masks" in totally new colours. You might want to check the plans
> for future masks as well then, looks like the collection will turn out to • be
> extremely confusing, maybe there'll be more and more masks next year • (Slizer
> and RoboRider both had at least one set a year after the first releases).
>
> Hoping to hear from LEGO Direct soon!
>
> Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
> --------------------------------------------------
> Lugnet Member #479 -- The World is full of AFOLs !
> mail: xtian@brickmaster.de web: www.brickmaster.de
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> You what!!!!" McDonalds PROMO Mask
>
> You better check that again Lego, that is not on.....
Hey Michael, calm down a little. Nothing has happened so far!
> Unless we will be able to get them from every McDonalds in all European
> Countries, not just the US
Probably, TLC will be clever enough to release the masks all over the world.
However, the rumors I heard were about a US McDonalds promotion which does
not mean Europe excluded.
On the other hand, I wouldn't even be surprised if there were US *and* EU
exclusive things such as in 1999 when there were McD promotions in the EU as
well as in the US but along with different sets (8 each).
> > Accoring to the latest Rumors there will even be "48 US only
Everyone, please read this line carefully again: According to *RUMORS* ! I
never said this will certainly happen and I doubt that anyone at TLC already
knows all the details about tha promotion. Heck, we do not even know if
there will such a promotion.
Rumors are usually based on facts but may turn out to be false. There were
rumors about pirates coming back for years. The fact that this rumor is
based on is that someone working inside TLC has inofficially confirmed that
there will be another McDonalds LEGO promotion in the US for september 2001
and from the discussion I have heard, it will be Bionicle related as well.
Some of the plans did include exclusive masks, but nobody can yet say if
these plans will ever be realised. I just wanted to give Tomas an indication
of how different it will be to get a total overview about all the masks that
are in the works. Even if you work inside LD it might still be difficult to
find out all that.
On the promotional LEGO Bionicle CD-Roms they tell you about golden masks
that will be exclusively at shop.lego.com , at FBTB we have seen new larger
sets containing ltblue and pruple masks and even on the current bags
themselves it shows you a totally new secret shape that has most probably
not even been produced yet. Along with all these exclusive limited editions
it will be hard for LD to answer all these questions at once. That's stuff
about upcoming products and I doubt any person inside TLC really has the
complete overview. However, LD should be able to find out why there are
currently only 48 masks in the bags although 72 were announced in the
catalogs etc.
I doubt that LD will be able to say anything about the rumors by now and
that's not what I was asking for. But in order to find out the current
problems they might want to check that (at least internal) as well before
everything runs totally out of command.
Bye, Christian --- xTIAN.
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