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Re: Where does the Life on Mars theme fit in to the LEGO universe?
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Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:32:15 GMT
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In lugnet.space, John P. Henderson writes:
> In lugnet.space, Jesse Alan Long writes:
> > In lugnet.space, Matt Hein writes:
> > > In lugnet.space, Jesse Alan Long writes:
> > > > This may sound like a weird question but, if Life on Mars is indeed a LEGO
> > > > Space theme, why is it not any place in LEGO Space? • <snip>
> > Basically, this is a rough map of the LEGO space time line:
> >
> > Town---->Space Port---->Life on Mars---->Classic Space---->Futuron
> > I I
> > I I
> > I I
> > V V
> > / \ Space Police I
> > / \ Space Police II
> > Exploriens Insectoids / I \
> > Blacktron I I M-Tron
> > Blacktron II I
> > / \ I
> > Spyrius Unitron I
> > I I
> > I V
> > I Ice Planet 2002
> > V
> > Robo Force
> > I
> > I
> > I
> > V
> > UFO
> >
> > Well, I hope that this pretty little map makes some sense to you.
>
> I think MTron was before SPII. One might also argue that Spyrius had
> vehicles that were heavily influenced by some of the Futuron & late Classic.
> Otherwise, your mapping is quite interesting.
>
> But I digress. What we really have here are a few different issues. First,
> the classification system in 'real-life' is vague at times. If you follow
> the printing on the boxes, brochures, web-catalog, etc. it might seem that
> LoM is not Space, or that Res-Q is not Town, etc. The truth is that TLC has
> somewhat abandoned the strict classification of sets into major themes
> (Town, Castle, Space). This change started maybe 5 or 10 years ago and was
> perhaps a strategy for better marketing. For us old-schoolers, it can get a
> bit confusing, especially with sub-themes that cross over, such as Rock
> Raiders or Auquazone(which I still say is Space, as I define Space as
> anything theoretically more futuristic than the late 20th century... that of
> course now makes Town a historical theme in my mind). The bottom line is
> that these sub-themes can fit into whatever major theme that you, as an
> individual collector, want them to. The only problem is finding it in
> databases may be confusing if you think one way while everyone else thinks
> another.
>
> The second issue is the fictional Lego universe that some of us have in our
> heads. Some of us seem to want each and every theme and sub-theme to be
> linked in some way within this universe, and we want the links to somehow
> mirror the real-life connections between sub-themes based on time-of-release
> or marketing material. Others of us, such as myself, gave up on that some
> time ago and instead make the sub-themes work for our story, rather than
> have the story work for the sets. This means that themes that don't fit
> into our universes are overlooked (except for parts), but sub-themes that do
> fit in are collected regardless of where they fit in the real-life scheme.
> In any event, how we perceive this fictional theming is completely
> subjective based on the whims and imagination of the individual.
>
> So, in both issues, the answer is: The sub-theme fits in however *you* want
> it to. Be creative and you will find a way for it to fit.
>
> The way I define things for myself, LoM is indeed a sub-theme of Space in
> 'real-life', but in my imaginary universe that I represent with Lego, LoM
> has no place. What sets I have from that sub-theme I have for parts.
>
> ...Oh, and one more note: My vote is that Futuron is indeed a spin off (or
> evolution) of Classic, as clearly they use the same Logo on their suits.
> Space Police I does the same...
>
> My thoughts,
> -Hendo
In real life, I do know for a fact that SPII was indeed after M-Tron but
what I was hinting in my timeline was that they came after SP I and that SP
II had evolved from SP I. As for Spyrius, Robo Force, and UFO, however, I
am not so sure about your opinion about their origins. Yes, they do seem to
have a lot of influence from Classic Space and Futuron but I think that they
seem to have more in common with Blacktron than Classic Space and Futuron
but that is me. I agree that Classic Space came from Futuron but not many
seem to agree with me, particularly since Classic Space had, for a short
time, coexisted with Futuron, at least over in Europe. I think that Rock
Raiders would also be considered a Space theme and would probably exist
around the same time as Life on Mars. (Hey, if people send explorers, what
else do you think will happen next, huh?) Well, this paragraph is my two
cents on the subject and anyone who wishes to talk to me should feel free to
do so because spam is evil (and not the yummy kind that comes in a can, either).
Jesse Long
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