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I am a professional in the QA area and used to writing documentation as a part of my job, and am going to take the "challenge". Thanks for the offer to host the info. Give me a week or so (i'm very busy with some chip-level failure analysis right (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Great!!! I know Gavin's toolset works for Win98, you might ask if you can pinch a copy and host it on your site. I'm not against building the tools, or the tools themselves. In fact, the GNU assembler and debugger (and m4) were the tools I (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) No argument from me here. Forth is not very popular anymore with the advent of really good C compilers for embedded processors (my specialty). BUT if you want a way to interactively control your LEGO bots, and have alook at the insides of the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Like I said, I'm willing to host such a site for at least a year if others would like to contribute. That offer includes any necessary binaries for other tools as well- pbFORTH, NQC, etc. -Luis ###...### Profanity is the one language that all (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) platform. (...) Same here.. That Gavin package...that might have been the one I downloaded...but even that one had a crazy directory structure, and all the compiled EXE's had names about 16 letters long! How about something simple like GCC (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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I appreciate your help, and it does sound interseting. However, I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I'd prefer to leverage my (much more marketable) C skills when writing programs for the RCX. That's why I'm using NQC right now - I already know (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) As a professional programmer, I just don't have the time, interest, or inclination to fiddle with building the GNU tools. I have tried to do this by following other folks best efforts and got something that was 95% functional. and in the end, (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Geez, I hate to plug my own work, but why not try the new pbFORTH. You can have arrays, as many variables as you want, simple multitasking, etc... No need for a compiler, just a terminal emulator will work. You DO have to try and learn FORTH, (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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The existing HOWTO is nice, and I know he worked hard on it BUT.... What I think we need is a howto with a REALLY narrow scope... which, ironically, would cover more people than any other group. You know what's probably out there right now? A ton of (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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Phil, Matt, other Windows/LegOS users- If anyone would like to write them up, I'd love to add Windows instructions to my LegOS HOWTO. Only problem is that I cannot test them myself, so I need others to provide them and make them usable. Currently, I (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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I'm thinking - we need just such a list! I mean - the only info out there for Win98 users is confusing at best. What is needed is a VERY SIMPLE explanation - basically, several steps. Download THIS zip file Unzip it to THIS directory name Put the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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You are sooo smart. I am not sure I completely understand everything you have said in the last two posts, but if I just blindly type "make --unix" IT WORKS!!!. I will now go back and see if I can follow everything you have suggested and see if I can (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) So is the idea that you might have a "shell" app that lets you control a button or two and that takes over the lcd at times (say), and lets you start, suspend, and stop other apps that control different, presumably disjoint sets of motors and (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) They could. In fact, there may be cases where that is exactly what you want to do. However, that requires you to write your code to examine the semaphore at every point where you would want to consider processing the event. It is more work. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Yes, that is it. A classic example is a full screen app such as vi. When being stopped, vi sets the terminal mode to something generic and saves any screen info that it needs. When resumed, it sets the terminal mode back to what it wants and (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Now keep in mind that this is coming from someone who won't take Duke's OS class until next spring- is there any reason the current semaphore implementation couldn't be used for a large percentage of these tasks? I.E., thread A checks (or uses (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Damn, I am too used to tcsh, and yet I still remembered the export. Make that: MAKE_MODE=UNIX; export MAKE_MODE (followed by make) Again, make --unix should also do the trick if that is easier to remember. Oh. My MAKE_MODE environment variable (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) What am I missing? Why do you need callbacks in the process structure? I was thinking if you can reference the thread, you can just call a system function (e.g. suspend(thread)), and that will suspend the thread. You do not need callbacks (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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(...) Some versions of make look for the sh shell, others use the dos shell. Probably, make is using the dos shell and not sh. As far as I know, make does not parse the parens, the shell does. And dos does not understand the parens. My cygwin make (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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Thanks Lou, I am sure that you are right. I also don't know what could cause it or how to fix it. I just hope there is some bright person who reads this NG and can get me on to the next step. Based upon the discussion topics that I have seen, this (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jun-99, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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