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Sigh.... ... . How the $%^&* will we ever get smart, interested, technical professionals to really make a difference in the schools when they run into this. THis. This...! Sigh... I am using RIS1.0 on 6 old 486 machines with WIN95. The school was (...) (26 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) I'm pretty sure this is not the case. The interpreter constantly runs the "execute bytecode" function if it is sitting idle. -Kekoa (26 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) Hmm. If so, an interesting option for a theoretical replacement-but- compatible firmware to have would be the ability to do things as fast as possible. (Of course, it'd have to be an option, since it's possible that some badly-designed code (...) (26 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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Its been a long time since I looked at the firmware in detail, but is it possible that the bytecode interpreter is driven from one of the timer chains? If this was the case, it wouldn't matter if the CPU could execute the bytecode in 200 cycles...it (...) (26 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) No, this sort of thing isn't covered in my book. There are several ways to send commands to the RCX. The first is the official SDK from TLG (spirit.ocx) which runs under Windows. The SDK contains a reasonable amount of documentation on the (...) (26 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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(...) From memory, the NQC was: int count; task main() { count = 0; CreateDatalog(100); ClearTimer(Timer(0)); while (count <= 1024) { if (count & 0xff == 0) AddToDatalog(Timer(0)); count += 1; } } The downloaded datalog will show the last log entry (...) (26 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) [Snip] (...) Okay. Is sending these commands (and which ones that are/can be "immediate") in your book? <G> While I don not have something in mind right this second, the more complex programs get the higher the possibility of someone using (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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(...) What is in a "counter loop iteration" ? Please share the NQC program you used to measure this with us. I fail to believe that a simple loop runs this slow. 16000 cycles per loop iteration does not sound right to me. -Kekoa (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) I'm not sure if the terminology from LEGO is "direct" or "immediate" commands, but either way the idea is that some of the bytecodes can be sent to the RCX and the RCX will execute them immediately. There's a lot of overlap between the direct (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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(...) I am kind of new to this, but what is meant by direct command? How would tasks downloaded in another slot be assessable to some other task to start up? --- DonC donc@cccd.edu (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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(...) This might be a good idea. The pbForth thing is working out well too. Maybe a C to FORTH translator would be useful. In the other hand, making a custom bytecode interpreter means having to write the interpreter and support it on different (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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(...) To me, one of the important features of such a thing would be compatibility with the existing firmware. Otherwise, why not just use LegOS? (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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If anyone is seriously considering this I'd ask two things... 1) Have you considered porting the p-code interpreter used by Interactive C or something like a stripped down Java bytecode interpreter instead? The idea here would be that the RCX (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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(...) Yeah, this was discussed way back at the beginning of the reverse-engineering effort. It's something I'd like to see too. (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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I was jut wondering, has anybody tried to implement a "better RCX-code"? It must be possible to write something very similar to RCX-code in LegOS, only faster and implementing the "missing" array structures and more variables. Mayby compatible with (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc)
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Is that on a PC? I have one running with the latest drivers from their site. It works fine for small snippets of code, but always times out, when trying to download larger segments or firmware. What exact driver version do you have. What exact (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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| | Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
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(...) This one works for me just fine. Dw (26 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) half (...) Yes, it seems to switch between two 'modes', one being effectively single tasking, and the other multi-tasking. This gives the change you are seeing. The 'loop' time, can be measured very easily with a scope, by setting a motor (...) (26 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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| | Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
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Hello to all, Thanks for all those who wrote in with suggestions for how to get my RCX bricks to work with the PowerMac 5500s that I was having trouble with. Here's a summary of my experiences and how I eventually got enough working machine to teach (...) (26 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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| | Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
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I believe Fred Martin ran into similar problems and the serial extension did indeed help. I think his write-up of the issue is somewhere on his site: (URL) Baum (...) (26 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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