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    RE: legOS —Eric Hodges
   It's the law. Software isn't defined by the media it's stored in or the way it is stored. It doesn't make any legal difference if you distribute the software on a CD or printed on the back of a T-shirt. The copyright laws consider software to be any (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: legOS —Paul Speed
     Just curious, and since you seem to have some information handy, where is the line between firmware and microcode drawn? Or is microcode also considered firmware? -Paul (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: legOS —Brett Carver
     (...) I'm not going to touch the legal issues being talked about, but let me try to address the technical ones. A micro-processor (CPU) is composed of a bunch of registers, adders, buffers, memory I/O locations, etc. In order for anything to take (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: legOS —Tim L Casey
     (...) Interesting. I view the actual chip implementation as software as well. Having seen a number of chips being built from scratch (like 3), and seeing the simulators for these chips run, then seeing the chip production source code (which is a lot (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: legOS —Markus L. Noga
     (...) You have a strong point here. Since the advent of VHDL, Verilog and the like, hardware is created with programming languages when full-custom design istn't worth the bother. (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: legOS —Brian Stormont
     Assuming firmware is "software", the question still remains whether the licensing agreement that came with the Mindstorms kit refers to only the PC-based software (which was my interpretation when I read it) or whether it refers to the firmware too. (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: legOS —Kekoa Proudfoot
   (...) The issue at stake is not the copyright. It's the license agreement. -Kekoa (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: legOS —Kekoa Proudfoot
     (...) And I should add, as Brian pointed out, that the question is not whether firmware is software, it's whether firmware is Software. As I said when I started all of this, read your license agreement again, and tell me whether or not it's obvious (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: legOS —Tim L Casey
   (...) The issue of the license agreement does state one is not given permission to reverse engineer 'the Software'. The software is defined as 'The Software included on the MINDSTORMS LEGOI product'. I read this as including the firmware. That being (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: legOS —Dave Baum
     (...) Many software license agreements appear to forbid reverse engineerining, but there is considerable legal debate over whether the these licenses are actually binding. As for the copyright, there is legal precedent (at least in the U.S.) for (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        License agreement nuances —Brian Stormont
   (...) But, if you read further, the License Agreement also says you may "use the Software on any single computer" and you may "use the Software on a second computer so long as the first and second computers are not used simultaneously". If the (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.robotics)
 

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