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I'm posting this also in the main trains group in case someone has indeed cut the edge off some switches or found a way to make a switching yard close together like this. I'm going to try an interleaved yard to get the tracks the way I want - I'll (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Hacksaw. I think that I have some straights/curves with the required modifications (I know I have some curves, not sure about straights) James (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) Hmm. I don't think we can pull off a 15 footer, quite. Quick question: How *wide* are our tables? I've been thinking that they're 30", standard banquet table width, but I seem to recall you saying "2 feet" somewhere... (...) One way of getting (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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| | Re: SuperTrain 2001 layout - Switching Yard
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(...) I killed the whole morning (I could never do this with a regular paying job) making it, but I've got a switching yard that I like. The overall "industrial end" is 8'x18', with the yard 3' across. (Any wider and we wouldn't be able to reach it (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Two feet by eight feet (or 6 or 4, but what point is a 2'x4' table?) (...) For the track designer impaired, here's what he's talking about... (URL) nice, but it still doesn't get the tracks any closer together than the standard switch width. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Two feet by eight feet (or 6 or 4, but what point is a 2'x4' table?) (...) For the track designer impaired, here's what he's talking about... (URL) nice, but it still doesn't get the tracks any closer together than the standard switch width. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) ? Why do you want the spurs so close together? If there's one thing we *aren't* short of, it's space. Stick with the geometry. Even a space-eating ladder-style yard works just fine. James (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Er, one of the tracks isn't connected. So, thats 1173 pieces of train track. My guess is about a minute to place each one. Some as little as a couple seconds, but overall, I think that's a not unexpected rate. That's a *lot* of time! P.S. I've (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yeah - I noticed that AFTER I'd posted it - there should be another switch in there, plus there's still more to add to the totals. Between Michel and I we have almost 250 curved segments which should be plenty. Straights are another story (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) True - there's no shortage of _floor_ space, and I can always add more tables, but at $1/foot out of my pocket (hopefully reimbursed but no garauntee) I'd like to make maximum use of space. Also, I have to stay within reach of the edge of the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) (URL) shot is of the "industrial side" with the switching yard and the container, oil and auto depots/yards. The empty spot in the lower corner is for hand-outs - there's a matching one on the "town side". SRC StRuCtures (24 years ago, 6-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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I like your yard, Steve. James' yard was less dense, but it did look nice and tidy. I just realized that there is only one loop of track. With a layout this size, it would make sense to have several things moving around simultaneously. Otherwise, it (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) A quick suggestion that will save you some time: Pre-assemble your straight track into 4 piece long segments. You should be able to find a box large enough to carry them. That way, when you're setting up at the show, you'll be able to do it (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's the only thing I don't like about this layout - It's one HUGE loop with tons of sidings. The main "problem" is the three main tracks running the length of the main section. There could be one "loop" for each cross-over, but that would (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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I agree with John, that it would be best if you had atleast two separate loops of track. (I still like Chris' "law" that the continuous loop(s) not run along the branch of a switch.) With a layout that size, if only one locomotive can run at a time, (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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SRC wrote in message ... (...) Without messing with polarity switching, a simple solution would be to add an extra main line to the center section for a total of four lines. This way, you can have two loops running the full length of the layout. [1] (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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Michel Magnan wrote in message ... (...) To get more trains moving at once, we would have to cut out some of the long sidings in the center to make room for the second loop. IMO, not a problem. "More running locos are better than more stationary (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yup. A 60' layout is going to look pretty empty with only 1 train. I like (John's?) suggestion for doing 2 loops. (...) Cool. The more stuff we've got, the better. (...) I've got 13 of the longest connector, and a smattering of the smallest 2 (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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I cut some of my switches with very satisfying result. I have pictures and will scan them one of these days. Eric (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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| | Re: SuperTrain 2001 layout - Dual main lines?
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(...) I've already spent considerable time pondering this problem, but I haven't found a solution I liked. If I were to add a table in the middle and shuffle/squeeze the track on both sides to accommodate a fourth "main" line as you suggest, there's (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.org.ca.nalug, Steve Chapple writes: <snip> Steve, Can you bring some hardcopy layouts on Saturday, with some of the different ideas you've had? I'll confess, sporadic opportunity for Lugnet-ing this week, and a lot of ideas getting tossed (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) I guess - Is everyone going to be there? Might it not be better to post them where everyone can see them? I guess I could both for that matter... SRC (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) Here's the town, bridge and switching yard as I currently have them. (URL) the moment, my method of running multiple trains is just that - run multiple trains on the one main loop. It's so long that two or three trains can run on it for quite (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) With a bit of changing, there is certainly room for a small loop inside the town end. So, do we have a time/place for our Saturday get-together yet? Is it out a James'? We had talked about being able to come here, but we might want to be a (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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| | Re: SuperTrain 2001 layout prep Saturday?
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(...) I would like to put a link to a NALug website in the hand-out... Chris: Is there one? NALug.Graysage.com or Graysage.com/NALug ?? If there's no such thing, can you make something appropriate? Would someone else prefer to be responsible for the (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) Ok, official it is, then. :) My place, this Saturday, aiming for noon. I can do a pick up (and drop off)run for anyone who can't otherwise get a ride. On the agenda: barricade making Supertrain layout discussion mountain design general yakking (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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Thanks for offering your place James. I might be a bit late, we won't be leaving St Paul until Saturday morning, I'll have my wife drop me off at your door on our way into Edmonton. (James, I misplaced your street address, could you email it to me (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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Steve, did James Powell ever send you the layout for his intermodal station? It would be nice to have it on Saturday, to be able to incorporate it into your plans. Michel (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Thanks - it's likely easier for someone in town to get both myself and John. What's everyone else's status on this? (...) Sounds good to me. Want me to bring my BURPs? I have a tub of the big ones and a bucket of the little ones. You must have (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) There is nothing there now. The current page is big and ugly. I have no problem with creating one, but I have neither the skill nor the tools to create flashy graphics. Putting up jpg's is easy, and I know enough HTML to make most simple stuff (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) An intermodal layout? AFAIK he's sending a bunch of containers and intermodal type sets that James B and I will place as appropriate. I still have to confirm, but it'll probably include my <set:4549> and then after the show, the crane and (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Doubtful - The layout is still rather fluid including e-mailing with Calgary. (...) AFAIK the clearance height is fourteen bricks including track. ie. Set the train on some track on a table, and put a stack of fourteen bricks beside it - the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) Hmm. Ok then, I want it enough set in stone that we can start building usefully. I want to know how much room we've got for town (container yard, Octan yard, rail yard, etc) Some of that stuff we can fake, but I really want to be able to just (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) Agreed - I think we can get solid enough. The main thing is what mountain configuration to use (so it can be built) right? That part at least we should be able to put in stone. (pun intended) ;-) Whatever I (we) decide on 3 or 4 tracks and (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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(...) Yes and no. I definitely want the mountain down, but I'd also really like a solid setting for the town. We can build some things before knowing what space we've got, but a lot of stuff is going to have to wait - it's hard to build something (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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Steve, look up (URL)Steve, did James Powell ever send you the layout for his intermodal (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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(...) The town can be as solid as you want it - I was intending to leave that section pretty much up to you. ie. There's tracks entering it here and here, which should loop back to here and here and the overall dimensions should be this by that. (6' (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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| | Re: SuperTrain 2001 layout - Container yard
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(...) If James P does have a layout for the container yard that needs to be followed, I'm sure I can incorporate it. I'll e-mail him about it... SRC StRuCtures (24 years ago, 15-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains)
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I just wanted to publicly thank Michel and James and the rest of NALug for their help on Saturday making barricades for the show next month. SRC StRuCtures (24 years ago, 15-Jan-01, to lugnet.org.ca.nalug, lugnet.trains.org)
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