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Scott's going to regret turning me on to Friedman! (...) Agreed. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I just can't buy this "people are basically bad, and societies that depend on honesty are doomed to fail" argument that comes from so many (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I admit I haven't read Friedman since grad school. But I remember thinking then that he ignores the vast motive to cheat the system. And the huge benefits to one who cheats well. (Hitler is a case in point) However, to say that there is an (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I do subscribe, theologically, to the idea of the "depravity of man" I must say that I also agree with Larry's assessment here that most people are basically decent, honest folk - especially since working thru the state of Nebraska and (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't really figure out if there is any atheistic society. As I know of every society now has some sort of religion right now, as I guess but of course I'm not sure. I really appreciate if you give some living (or lived in some time) (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all very Hayek - he proposed that the systems of behaviour in humanity is evolving – and that they survive because they are useful, in that they help “society”. He believed that The market had survived the test of time this based on (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Do market based societies select for virtue? (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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(...) Including me, of course, as I've said all along. I'll argue for 100% (of whatever) but gladly accept 75% (instead of the 32% I have now)... Based on some of the other stuff you've posted lately I may have to become a small l libertarian (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was speaking mainly of communist/socialist governments that replace religion with the state. (...) I know what you mean, I spent 15 months in the Middle East and witnessed much of it first hand. (...) I like that you said, "if a person (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think they hit to ground because of the lack of religion, but because they tried to force an unrealistic utopia as an economic model. In fact they hit the ground economically, not socially (although I should admit that economic (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you're aiming for 75%. I'm sure I can haggle you down a little further... Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We're not haggling yet, and if we were, I'd still be aiming for 100%. :-) ++Lar (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Advantages like having to commit suicide alone in a cramped little concrete bunker surrounded by people who have been praying for you to die? When I state it like that, I'm not sure why more people don't want to cheat big. (...) If you meant (...) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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