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Re: Do market based societies select for virtue? (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:46:02 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:

> [Friedman ignors] the huge benefits to one who cheats well.
> (Hitler is a case in point)

Advantages like having to commit suicide alone in a cramped little concrete
bunker surrounded by people who have been praying for you to die?  When I state
it like that, I'm not sure why more people don't want to cheat big.

> However, to say that there is an economic benefit for society, or
> a societal benefit to behaving "good" is to ignore
> 1) the point about *individual* human depravity...

If you meant that some people are sick and throw a wrench in the works, then
you'd be right.  But it sounds like that's not what you mean.

> Humans are individually
> prone to act in "bad" ways - they know how to and do behave "badly" from
> birth... Now why is that?

It sounds instead like you mean babies are born wicked.  And that is absurd.
Small people are taught how to behave poorly by large (often) role-models.
When a human is truly an infant, all they want is to be warm and full of milk
and bathed in love.  As they turn into a real human, they develop and if they
are shown bad behavior then they think that's how to be.

> 2)the fact that society behaves in ways that are good due to numerous
> influences - many of which are driven by those acting under "good" belief
> systems or the force (restraint) of laws and punishments.

I don't follow the meaning in this.

Chris



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  Re: Do market based societies select for virtue? (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
 
(...) Ok, I admit I haven't read Friedman since grad school. But I remember thinking then that he ignores the vast motive to cheat the system. And the huge benefits to one who cheats well. (Hitler is a case in point) However, to say that there is an (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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