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Re: stuff (was: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:55:15 GMT, Christopher Weeks
<clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote:
> 5) Let peaceful people cross borders freely.
> OK, I can see otherwise reasonable people disagreeing with this
> due to outmoded notions of fealty and sovereignty. I agree with
> the LP stance on this issue and am more extreme than this, but
> this is the only one of the personal issues that I bet many
> folks would disagree with.
Yup. There are very good reasons not to let economic refugees cross
into your country freely. Most especially if you are richer than your
neighbours.
> Economic Issues:
> 1) Businesses and farms should operate without govt. subsidies.
> OK, I guess this is obvious to me, but anyone who has no faith
> in the market would disagree with this. In fact, I think this
The problem isn't that the market wouldn't provide food. It's that the
market would not provide enough home-grown food, instead preferring to
import from somewhere cheaper. The problem with that in times of war
is very obvious.
> question doesn't belong on the test since it's likely to get
> negative answers. They should change it to "farmers and business
> shouldn't be paid by the government to NOT produce."
Corretc me if I'm wrong, but they're not. Generally subsidies hinge on
the fact that they do produce, except that what they produce isn't
_sold_. But it's still grown.
> 2) People are better off with free trade than with tariffs.
> You have to have some basic faith in the market, but I bet most
> people answer this one with a yes.
In some cases. This one isn't black and white no matter how you look
at it.
> 3) Minimum wage laws cause unemployment. Repeal them.
> I bet many people are negative to this as a gut reaction. I
> once again agree, and I think it can clearly be demonstrated
> that it's correct, but if you don't have time to explain the
> how behind it, people might generally disagree.
The first statement is marginally correct, but that is irrelevant.
> 4) End taxes. Pay for services with user fees.
> Again, I think most people who don't agree with this, just don't
> understand the issue. And people seem to be afraid of a few
> particular privatization issues (roads and protection).
No, those are used as easy examples where the differences are very
striking.
> 5) All foreign aid should be privately funded.
> I can see again how people taking this cold (without some
> discussion and explanation) would answer negatively.
This is the only on of the five I agree with, actually.
>
> So, basically, I think the personal side is well designed and the
> economic side should be rewritten so that it places more people in the
> libertarian camp. Even as it's set up, if you answer
> Y_Y_Y_Y_M_M_Y_N_M_Y which is a reasonable answer, you fall out as a libertarian.
Why does it need to be set up so that everyone is conned into
believing they're libertarian? Very intellectually dishonest tactic.
> I don't know. In a global context, I think we're fairly conservative.
> And fairly moderate. Both parties agree on more than they disagree. In
> some places that's less true - as I understand it.
More thasn fairly. Both your parties are extremely moderate by your
own standards, and both are right-wing by global standards (by
actions, not words, that is).
> My circle is pretty small. I know a great many more netizens than fleshizens.
It's easier to know a lot of the one than to know a lot of the other.
For one thing, 100 people in a crowded newsgroup doesn't mean you
can't hear the other guy talk.
Jasper
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