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| | | (...) I'm not so sure (see my post above). Can't I come up with an idea so obscene that every normal, decent human being will say, "That's sick!" -John (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Swearing? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) But this, too, is circular, since your question implies that a human being who doesn't say "That's sick!" is not normal and decent. Dave! (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Art! or Not Art! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) who (...) "decent" (...) How about this one - a parent eating his child! Sick! Cannibalism! Disgusting. Certainly Not Art! And certainly on paper, this really seems like a candidate. Goya's "Saturn Devouring one of his Children". (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art! or Not Art! —Jeff Thompson
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| | | | (...) like (...) And even more frightening if the academnic speculation is true that the painting was modified from its original form, with Saturn originally having a very erect phallus while he devours the child. -- jthompson@esker.com "Float on a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art! or Not Art! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Modified by Goya or some later censor? I presume that he may have thought it went over the line into "that's just plain sick" (and not justified by the myths) or it simply is a delusion by some scholar. It certainly starts to edge over the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art! or Not Art! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Wasn't this painting found on the wall of Goya's hovel after his death? It doesn't seem likely to me that Goya would've censored his own painting to avoid offending himself. Additionally, I studied this painting in an Art History course, and I (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art! or Not Art! —Jeff Thompson
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| | | | (...) Perhaps. If you'd like to check on the reference, find "No Go the Bogeyman" by Marina Warner in your library, and look up the painting in the book's index. I think I recall the book being well-documented with footnotes and references, and if (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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