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Re: I don't think the Southern Baptist *Anyone* can say *anything* about *anyone else*
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Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:00:56 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matthew Crandall wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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http://us.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/07/giuliani.baptists.ap/index.html
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NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A Southern Baptist leader said Tuesday that
evangelical voters might tolerate a divorced presidential candidate, but
they have deep doubts about GOP hopeful Rudy Giuliani, who has been married
three times.
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Why don’t they just call the position ‘His Holiness The President’ and be
done with it? It seems to be what they (unreasonably) expect from him, and
any candidates for the position, anyway (and ‘they’ are not just religious
people either).
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Hi, all--
This is yet another example of why one’s faith should color one’s decisions.
I make a living working for a Bible School. I would be considered
“Evangelical” and/or “Conservative” by a good many people. I attend church
when I’m not on the road somewhere (I travel a lot in my job), and often when
I am on the road.
I don’t particularly care if a political candidate is male or female, and I
don’t really care what color they are (unless they’re bley...whatever that
is). I don’t even care if they’re Democrat or Republican. I do care if that
person is qualified to run for and hold a public office. I’d say about a
third of all candidates running for office probably are not qualified to hold
it if elected, due to education, background, etc. Whether or not they’ve been
divorced should not matter.
So Rudy’s divorced. So are about half my friends. Guess what? Outside of
Jesus, nobody’s perfect. That’s why we’re human, not divine.
What I do care about is this: Will a candidate speak up for the things I
think are important, like fixing social security (without privatizing it),
healthcare, and finding a way out of this so-called war we are in? Will they
balance the budget, clean up the environment, fund our schools adequately--as
well as our National Parks? What are their views on those things (and others,
best left unsaid in a forum such as this) I deem important...and, do they
have the “guts” to stick to those views, when it seems unpopular?
Jesus said to
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind,
2. Love your neighbor as yourself, and
3. Love one another.
The Bible (should that be your faith background) is to be our guide. Not our
politicians. I hold my pastor in higher regard then my elected public
officials--and I expect him to lead a more exemplary life. (And, I can
explain why, based on a joint faith that includes regarding the Bible as
God’s Word.)
I’d rather focus on those items in my faith.
I’ll get out of my pulpit now.
Play Well and Prosper!
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Very well said.
I’ve always been of the opinion that the *individual* can make decisions for him
or herself with regards to, well, almost anything.
That said, corporations, institutions, and whathaveyou--stating these almost
‘edicts’--“The Southern Evangelical (whathaveyou) states that so-n-so is bad!”
Well, who is this Southern Evangelical? No one. I recall *some* church
institutions in the past election that were almost mandating that their
parishoners have to vote for Dubya (as if he was a good Christian choice--but my
opinion--not so much)
But right there’s the point, actually--Democracy is ‘for the people’--not for
‘the institution’.
I’ve becoming increasingly of the opinion that corporations and institutions
weild way too much power over ‘the common man’, and I’m stepping up to say that
this ‘common man’ isn’t going to take it anymore.
So the Southern Baptist Evangelicals, or any other ‘institution--don’t presume
to speak for the masses--even if the masses are southern baptists--it’s arrogant
presumption first of all, but more importantly, in a democratic world--it’s the
person’s voice that’s important, not the institutions.
Speak for yourself. You can have an issue with how Rudy’s been divorced a few
times. You can take issue with whatever *you* wish to take issue with. As a
representative of an instituion, however--how can any institution have any
feelings about divorce? It’s an institution--devoid of feeling. People feel.
Let’s bring this back to the people.
All of this is made possible by the number 4 and the words--‘amount of sleep in
the past cople days’... :) so if it didn’t flow as coherently as I
wanted--apologies.
Dave K
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