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Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:44:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl wrote:
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John wrote:
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As recently as three generations ago, the nuclear family as a self-contained
unit was newish. I don’t assume that the nuclear family is the ultimate
peak of social development. I also don’t believe that society is in any
meaningful way “built” upon the nuclear family.
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Well, ours is, and so is Western Culture in general.
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Really? Do tell...
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Take a look around. I think you are denying the obvious. What would you
assert the foundation of our society is?
(snip)
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I don’t exactly know what reality you live in anymore, John (if I ever did),
but I’ve got news for you - the Nuclear Family is a 20th C construct, and it
is falling by the wayside. It is anything BUT the norm anymore.
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I didn’t say it was the norm, just the foundation.
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While the majority of familes
might meet your Perfect Family Mold, it’s only a matter of time (I say might
because I am too lazy to look up the latest census figures).
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I doubt it. Cultures with strong, nuclear families will overtake ones that
don’t. Look at Europe. The Europeans, apparently, are too intellectual or
secular or something to bother with procreating, and they are aging and
f-f-fading away. All that props up their census is imigration and the
procreation of those immigrants (and now for the good news-- those immigrants
are predominantly Muslim). At this rate, Europe will be dominated by Muslims
in 40 short years.
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All organisms “control” their
destinies as much as they are able.
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Pardon? “Control”? Animals have no control-- they are governed by instinct.
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What an absolute load of BS.
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What does govern animal behavior then, Tom? Reason? Ethics? Religion?
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Why is it human, and not e.g. canine, to
suppress our “animal instincts”?
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Animals can’t suppress instinct. We are able.
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Even a lab rat can suppress instinct if given the right impetus.
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A given impetus can stimulate a given instinct. There is no reasoning going on
in the head of a rat.
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As usual, the vast majority of words coming out of your mouth in here stink of
bovine-digested-grasses.
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Must be the sour cream and chives dip I ate....
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Honestly, I find this equivocation of humans and animals disturbing. Say the
last tiger alive on earth was attacking me and would indeed kill me if you
didn’t kill it first. Would you?
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It depends - would you also be the last other person in the world that I’d
have to talk to? ;-)
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You get my point.
JOHN
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Message has 5 Replies:
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| (...) Judging by stats today? The foundation is just as likely to be Divorce as it is to be Marriage. 50% goes both ways, bub. (...) The foundation of what? {Your} idea of what the US should be? Ignoring the fact that it is a 20C construct? (...) (...) (20 years ago, 10-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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| (...) That really depends on the animal - the smarter they are the more they can move away from "instinct". My bird can put words, individuals, and activities together without me attempting to teach him in the slightest. The dog can do the same, if (...) (20 years ago, 10-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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| (...) No one thing!!! People often pull this "sky is falling" gimick about some trivial little detail claiming that a change will cause the collapse of society. If we granted universal marriage rights to homosexuals -- as we would if we were a (...) (20 years ago, 10-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Xenophobia
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| (...) Your comment appears a little xenophobic. Even if you are right, what is the big deal about immigrants being Muslims? Anyhow, in 40 years time your descendants’ 1st language will be Spanish. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 10-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Really? Do tell... (...) I don't exactly know what reality you live in anymore, John (if I ever did), but I've got news for you - the Nuclear Family is a 20th C construct, and it is falling by the wayside. It is anything BUT the norm anymore. (...) (20 years ago, 9-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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