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(...) The attempts of the pro-war right to link George “AWOL” Bush’s illegal war in Iraq to WW2 never fail to leave me bemused. (...) They did not make sacrifices; they were "sacrificed". Many of us have yet to be convinced that they died for (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) You should signal your turns. What is "AWOL"? "A Winner Over Lefties?" (...) Calloused and insensitive semantics. Par for the course. (...) Oh really. And what would it take to convince you of that? The safe $$$ is on nothing; (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't remember Bush winning anything... certainly not medals in Vietnam. ;) (...) It is not semantics. There is a gulf between making a sacrifice and being sacrificed. Think about it. (...) The truth is becoming clearer day-by-day; your (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, in this case, you're wrong and (shudder), Scott is right. This is NOT semantics. "Made sacrifices" pertains to the Iraqi people as a whole. "Were sacrificed" pertains to the ones actually killed. HUGE difference, don't try to pave it (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, if they were sacrificed, then by whom to whom? (...) You know, pro-Bush folk would probably be a lot less "rah-rah" if the Left weren't so virulently hateful of Bush as a person, much less as a politician. JOHN (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Again, this isn't new; it existed with Clinton, too, though the positions were often reversed, and I'd argue that there was much more "yeah, he's a slimeball sex fiend" admission on the Left during the Lewinsky matter than there is acceptance (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I managed to catch the start of a dedication ceremony for your WW2 war memorial on Saturday evening. The whoops which greeted Bush, on what I expected to be a reflective event, forced me to switch channel... It may be a cultural thing, but I (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The folks that 'whooped it up' should be ashamed of themselves. I read it as 'scoring political points' by showing avid support for Dubya, instead of being, as Scott said, 'reflective', with thoughts of the past and those that sacrificed (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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