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(...) Well, part of the reason that people in third-world nations have 10 kids is because 80% of those kids will likely die before puberty. Obviously that's not an inviolable statistic, and just as obviously it's not the only cause of skewed (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't actually have to look to the 3rd world to see the problem. It exists in your own backyard. The have-nots everywhere seem to reproduce faster. The imbalance will always exist, maybe it's programmed into our genes. You can bicker over (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi. 80% mortality? Not likely. In fact, the opposite is true; that's what's helping the problem of overpopulation along. The real pushing force is the *labor value* of children; in agricultural societies--or, better put, societies that still (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I was only responding to the question as it was raised in regard to third world "per capita" breeding rates. (...) I don't know that we need to play the "genes" card right off the bat; it sort of implies that "proles naturally breed like (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, all right--80% is a gross exaggeration. Still, infant death rates are sharply higher in third world nations than in the "developed" countries. Lemmee take another looksee... According to this site: (URL) 1999 more than 30 nations had (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you sure about that? Children have very little labor value in our society, and I still see the have-nots reproducing faster. You've hit ONE reason, but not nearly ALL reasons. (...) Hmm, is that wealth the cause, or the result? Or are they (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a negative correlation between the average family size and the per capita GDP (or any of a number of other economic maturity indicators), in that as GDP goes up, people have less children. This is attributed to the shift away from (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snippity snip] (...) What! You've been beating me all along with bogus facts and figures? I hate that! Liar, liar, pants on fire! I win. There, that feels better. :^) Don PS. :^) :) :^) Just in case you sensitive folks missed the other one. (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Value systems die very hard. I was speaking primarily about the "third world" (or as we like to call it, the "two-thirds world"), but it's not hard to see that when people come here, the values system that promotes large families tends to have (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, don't attribute to my duplicity what can be explained by my doofusness! (...) I figured I'd let you have one once in a while to keep you interested. 8^) Dave! (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) !!! Divide it by ten, sir. Really, you're way off. Read your links again. The statistics give the number of deaths *per 1,000 live births* not the number per *100* live births. So that's 7.6%, not too far off in a very poor country. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Boy oh boy. Don't ask me to compute a tip the next time I dine on a Friday afternoon. It'll be hard to see my monitor until after my head-ectomy. The 76% figure came from (URL), in section 4.3. Poor citation on my part. **snip of the rest that (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Note the symbol is not % but its cousin, with two zeroes in the denominator. That indicates "76 of one thousand." If they'd meant 76/100, they would have used 0/0 and not 0/00. (...) We can play the Pirate Game, winner takes all... ;) all best (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Man, this is just embarrassing. I did *not* note the mill sign. Maybe if they'd referred to basis points, it would have gotten through my skull. But probably not. I'm reminded of (URL) an admission I made long ago> in one of our many (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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