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| | | (URL) Hearts & Minds?> I found this (URL) quote> from Brigadier General Janis Karpinski regarding the lack of information about the ~10,000 “detainees” she was in charge of in Iraq: “We're not trying to withhold information from you. Some (...) (20 years ago, 30-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds?> —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) That should be Wining and Dining Hearts & Minds... Iraq did once export wine. Scott A (20 years ago, 30-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Don Heyse
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| | | | (...) (URL) particular incident may in fact do just that: Win some hearts and minds if it's handled correctly. (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) If it's "handled correctly" a lot of people will end up in the slammer: (URL) Against the law of war> "the laws of war require that all countries take the necessary steps to ensure that they are respected. All military personnel should receive (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Don Heyse
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| | | | (...) I tend to agree with you there, however I suspect your heart and mind are set in their ways, regardless of how this particular event works out. Fortunately, according to the blog, some people (whom this actually concerns) are able to see the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Unfortunately, it's far too easy to justify countless small atrocities by invoking The Big Picture. Here's the well-known and prevailing wisdom on the matter (quoted here, but famous in general): (URL) more and more ugly details keep surfacing (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | (...) here. People still swim in the ocean even though it's inhabited by sharks. However the media will always cover the shark bite stories because it's easy to sell pictures of shark bite violence. But they'll never tell you anything about the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) This is offensive. I demand you either substantiate or retract that statement! I joined AI in 1987 and opposed SH when Washington/London still supported him. I opposed Apartheid when Washington/London supported it.I’ve even castigated (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I can't retract it. It's just a question and an opinion. I'm just saying you *seem* much more unhappy now than you used to be. Do a search on in .debate on Scott Arthur. Then click on "prefer older" and compare the results. It would seem to me (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Perhaps I'm unclear on your conception of The Big Picture. Here's mine, and I'd be interested to see how it fits alongside yours: The United States is widely perceived to be a hegemonic and militaristic juggernaut bent on securing its own (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote: <snip> (...) I don't know but the charm, for me, has faded in o-t.d. I get all excited about something and I banter with Bruce, or Dave! But it's more effort now than it was before. It's like I have to (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Wayne McCaul
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: <snip> (...) I've been meaning to ask, is Richard's ban permanent? I don't have any clue... -Evil Wayne (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It is my opinion that Richard knows what he has to do to get the ban on posting access rescinded. It's my view he's chosen not to do those things. (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) He has to say the "s" word if he wants to play here again. Other offenders do not have to(1); but he does due to the way his "outburst" was used as axe grinding material (IRC). I hope I'm not betraying a confidence when I say I know he lurks (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Yep, and I don't want foot soldiers to carry the can for (URL) institutional failures> either: In a letter home earlier this year, Staff Sergeant Chip Frederick, one of the soldiers charged, said he had questioned some of the things that he (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | (...) Mmmmm. I saw Geoffrey Robertson interviewed on (URL) Lateline> and while it wasn't the focus of the interview, he got to the nub of what concerns me about this. "...because what we're seeing here is not just the kind of abuse that happens in (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) What makes you think I'd want that? I'm lucky enough to live in a country which has a good range of independent national media which reports on domestic and international issues without feeling the need to wave my flag in my face. I know the (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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