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    Intellectual Property Question —Dave Schuler
   For purposes of this discussion, let's posit that music companies *have* the right to control distribution and to make copies of their products, and also that the consumer is granted the "fair use" right to make personal copies of purchased music. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: Intellectual Property Question —Mike Petrucelli
     (...) Isn't the whole point of making a copy so you can still use the material even if the original is damaged. Unless the record company can prove you did not purchase the CD in the first place they should not have a case against you. (...) I think (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Richard Marchetti
     Welcome to 20 minutes into the future, people. Copyrights are dead. Patents are dead. IP is dead. Digital means infinitely reproducible. And as William Gibson has observed: "the street has its own uses for things." It's not a matter of what is right (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Frank Filz
     (...) I kind of agree with this. The question is how will the world proceed? What new mechanisms will arise to encourage artists to produce? I see a slight potential of a period of time where the availability of new art plummets. Another question is (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Richard Marchetti
     Yeah, those are all good questions... Capitalism is dead too, though. I have given it long and serious thought and there's a very good reason that Roddenberry never really investigated the economy of the future in Star Trek -- the main thing is that (...) (21 years ago, 25-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Scott Arthur
     (...) Richard: use Bush’s tax cut to buy shares in these companies and live on the dividend. When you spend the income, your unemployed countrymen will get jobs flipping ‘burgers (say) for you! Have you never heard of “trickle-down-economics”?! (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Dave Schuler
     (...) Bill Maher has rightly identified trickle-down-economics as the rich saying to the poor "We're pissing on you." (...) Robert Reich, who, as a Clinton cabinet member, will no doubt be demonized by Dubya apologists, had some interesting (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
   
        Re: Intellectual Property Question —Thomas Stangl
     This is a good question, especially since I am in this situation. Before moving from CA to FL, I tried to get my entire 250+ CD collection burned to MP3s, so I could cram them on an Archos to listen to in the moving truck (they totalled more than (...) (21 years ago, 26-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Richard Marchetti
     Tom: I suppose you realize you could just download these two songs, right? The RIAA has specifically targeted uploaders, not downloaders. The theory is that it is possible to have a need, not unlike you own, that might make downloading a song a (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Mike Petrucelli
      snip (...) I am pretty sure I read that the "CD-like disks" can be made into CDs by using a magic marker and coloring in the data track. Theres a couple million bucks of development down the toilet. I know I personally will not buy a CD that I can't (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Intellectual Property Question —Thomas Stangl
     (...) Yes, I do, generally by installing software on my system that has no business being on there, and often is exceedingly hard to later remove. (...) Yes, I know, but I'd prefer CDA tracks, even if they are rather large. I'd rather burn a exact (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: Intellectual Property Question —Bruce Schlickbernd
   (...) I am of the opinion that having purchased a license, that they should replace the non-performing media either for free within some reasonable time frame, or at cost. Or, you have the right to make back-up copies. I have utterly no problem in (...) (21 years ago, 27-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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