 | | Liberty vs. Socialism —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | Now here is a really good article: (URL) of posting it refers to the September 10th article titled "Click it or Ticket" will likely soon be moved to here: (URL) Petrucelli (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —David Koudys
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| | | | | (...) I've never liked seat belt laws. It is fundamentally, a persona choice whether to buckle up or not. I say "Darwin, go to it!"--I'll wear my seatbelt because I want to, not because some law makes me. ANd od someone doesn't buckle up, that's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | (...) In some parts of the world, the compensation for people severly injured in car accidents, are paid by the social security or the insurance industry, or a combination. In these cases, it is hardly fair to the community that they have to pay for (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Then ban cigarettes. Ban foods that are bad for you. Ban autos until they don't put toxics in the air. Shut down Stelco and Dofasco. To single out seatbelts because of what we have to pay in health care is hypocritical. And if i hurt/kill (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | (...) In some parts of the world, committing suicide, or trying to, is illegal. What do you think about that? I think there is a large difference between a sudden event, like a car accident, and a long term bad habit, like smoking or poor diet. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think attempted suicide is illegal here in Canada. Suicide can't have the same type of law 'cause if you're successful, well then you're dead and can't be there for a trial. I've been around for 36ish years and I've talked with many (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) Charge the cigarette companies to pay for the medical (who in turn charge the smokers, who thus pay for themselves). (...) All foods are bad for you, given enough research. Really, you have to ban overeating (but then again, the food is taxed, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Agreed! Though if you tax the corporations excessively, they'll whine and complain and take their business to China where the labour is cheap and the environmental protection is negligible! Ad to add insult to injury, sell the products back (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not going to comment on the law but I can't see any reason to not wear the seatbelt if its there. I put it on automatically and I dont even notice it. Wearing a seatbelt in the back seat it in my opinion even more important as you can (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Tim David
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| | | | (...) Why is this thread called Liberty vs Socialism? Liberty and socialism aren't opposites anyway Tim (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Sure they are. Show me a socialist country where you are free, in all senses of the word. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Tim David
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| | | | | (...) But a world with complete (personal) freedom can't exist because the more freedom you get the nearer anarchy you get and then you lose the freedom because another persons 'freedom' impinges on yours. To my mind a county like Denmark (which has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) This is a false argument; there is no country which is "free in all senses of the word". Just like there is no country which is completely socialist or completely free market. (...) I agree; the centre-left approach to life in Norway, Sweden (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) I found this article to be somewhat inaccurate. For example, it states that more than 40% of academic posts are held by women. This is far from the truth. In the Universities, the vast majority of the higher academic positions are still held (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) I've wanted to visit a few places in the world since I was a kid--Austailia, Denmark, others... Now Norway's on the list. Sun barely sets at all in the summer? Think of the tan! :) Dave K (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Jeff Van Winden
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Hey Dave! I'm posting here because I know you will read this... are you comming tonight, and if so can you bring your laptop? Jeff VW Did I just go Off Topic in .off-topic? (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) This depends heavily on where you go to. If you go above the Arctic Circle, the sun never sets during mid-summer. In Oslo, which is around the 60° Nothern latitude, the sun sets for around three hours in summer, but with the sun just beneath (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not sure you've shown that, actually. Note please that I am not asserting that (for example) the US is not a socialist state, for it is... I'm merely talking about the general case. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Liberty vs. Socialism —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | (...) In what way are people in more socialist countries less free than ourselves, Lar? We are progressively taxed, we have social programs, etc. I'm not seeing the big difference. We pay the same but get far less for our $$$. I hate to say it, but (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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