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(...) Solar Panels? Domestic generators? (in abstract, "self-generated power"?) Back in the early days of electricity there was a powerplant in every block, at least in NYC; I believe that can be considered similar to what you advocate? Well, that (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa. I don't have a problem with the powergrid I have a problem with the centralized generation. The solar panels that are illegal for me to use on my house, if used by everyone, would produce enough excess energy to power the cites. However (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, misunderstood that in your post. (...) No they wouldn't, since all solar powered systems are pretty much unreliable. It's not that they do not work in cloudy conditions, only they work at a very unneficient pace (so to speak). And then (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) Not the ones that are illegal for me to purchase. They are based on the same technology NASA uses for its satellites. [snip] (...) Wish I knew. I do know that where I live the power company is required to buy back any power you generate (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which are conveniently located outside the Earth's atmosphere, and therefore not subject to weather. Besides, they are designed for many charge/discharge cycles a day, since most satelites orbit the Earth more than once daily - the "night" (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Satelite solar panels also don't have to deal with atmosphere... I'm sure it's changed now, but some 15 years ago, I hear solar panels were actually an energy loser, that their expected energy production for their lifetime was less than the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The solar panels I am referring to are BASED on technology NASA created for solar panel use and construction. A typical home shingled in solar panels would generate enough power to operate lights and small appliances in overcast and light (...) (21 years ago, 16-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And extremely costly. Consider that by the time the solar panels would require replacement, they still wouldn't have paid off their initial cost. Why else do you think non-oil producing countries have not implemented the system? It's not as if (...) (21 years ago, 16-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) Well I have done the math it would save my household about $10,000 over the course of the solar panels lifetime versus the current electric bill. (...) Well my house has a gas generator for back-up power already. It is slightly more (...) (21 years ago, 17-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, that's great. But how much do you think it would cost you to cover your house in enough panels to just break even on energy consumption? If over $10K, what's the point, except the feeling of self-reliance (nothing wrong with that), or the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm curious of what conditions you considered in your maths. (...) It is true that the consumption is greatly reduced at night time, which is not to say electricity is not produced or used at all. In fact, much of the electricity generated at (...) (21 years ago, 17-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um...no. The reactor is called "TRIGA", and is located in Torry Pines, at General Atomic(s?) site. It CANNOT expode, or melt down. Physics dictate how anything will act, and it WILL NOT explode/PCI, no matter what you do with it- remove the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what if something else accidentally happened, that changed the properties of the absorbing elements? Or what if a terrorist figured out a way to do the above? Or what if it's effectiveness changed drastically after the first 2 days? What (...) (21 years ago, 18-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Natural gas storage is a pretty serious one. Back a while ago, the Navy wanted to station some nuclear vessels in Boston. People were all up in arms about the dangers. Someone pointed out that the natural gas facility in South Boston was an (...) (21 years ago, 18-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A long while back, I was driving home one night and I just happened to be behind a rig hauling propane. Well, the light goes red up ahead of the rig so he starts putting on his brakes. The trailer full of propane starts skewing sideways so he (...) (21 years ago, 18-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) but it can't. "simple" physics determines the properties of matter. "simple" physics determine what will happen when you remove the control rods from the reactor- either it speeds up, slows down, or does nothing. The design of TRIGA is such (...) (21 years ago, 19-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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