Debate : 18935


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Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Scott Arthur
(...) It could be argued that NATO and the UN are gaining respect in the international community for failing the follow Bush's line. Indeed, it is notable that a large proportion of the public internationally will only support a war which has UN (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

	Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Dave Schuler
	(...) Honestly, it's hard to say. There's the rabid (and, frankly, fascist) campaign by the Bush administration to marginalize and demonize anyone voicing reservations about prosecuting this unjust war, so it's difficult to assess the actual (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Scott Arthur
		(...) Have a look at this: ftp://voot.pair.com/...cheese.jpg [Note: “Yurp” is how Steve Bell represents Bush’s pronunciation of “Europe”] (...) ... or a least that's the way Bush can read it. ;) At the weekend we expect 500,000 – 1,000,000 to voice (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

			Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Richard Marchetti
			(...) Greg Palast on Blair: (URL) poodle on a leash?! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

				Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Scott Arthur
				(...) Quite interesting. He is plain wrong on some issues, but overall he raises some key points. The most pertinent is this: "Well, if there is a U.N. resolution backing the war in Iraq, and I don't doubt there will be, the average Briton is not (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Bruce Schlickbernd
		(...) I think the U.S. public is becoming wary of Bush's motivation. They may not like Saddam Hussein, but the Al Queda connection is tenuous at the very best. (...) Those governments that support the US against the wishes of their citizens may find (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

			Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Scott Arthur
			(...) Have I done that? Does public opinion amount to evidence of a threat? ;) <snip> (...) A very good point! (...) That's a little sad. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

			Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Dave Schuler
			(...) I saw a poll the other day (cited on CNN, but I can't remember the uber-source) that showed that about 45% of Americans believed that the Bush administration would intentionally falsify information to make its case, and something like 58% (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

				Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Bruce Schlickbernd
				(...) I believe any politician will do such, but some more than others (Dubya!). war? Seems to me an oxymoron. Justifiable, maybe - I suppose a war (...) Okay, I was being pendantic. But the resolution the UN passed made it look fairly legal (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

	Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Fredrik Glöckner
	(...) On a similar note, the American movie "Bowling for Columbine" screened in Oslo a couple of weeks ago, and received very good ratings. The reviewer were generally more happy about this movie than with "Two Towers"! While "Bowling..." is (...) (21 years ago, 16-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: The beginning of the end of NATO? —Scott Arthur
		(...) The rally in London was the biggest gathering in the UK since VE [Victory in Europe] day: estimates range from 750,000 to 2,000,000. 500,000 were expected. (URL) counter attacked before it even got underway: (URL) A (21 years ago, 16-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)