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| | | (...) That's an egregiously qualified freedom at best, right? The fact that it is worse for others doesn't make your/our situation any better; it is only better by comparison. -- Hop-frog (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | (...) Maybe I am mis-reading you hear (or maybe you mis-read me.) Last time I checked, if I publicly announce I do not like my government 'leaders', I will not be publicly executed later that day. However that is standard in most Arab countries. The (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | (...) Yeah, that is bad. But how about imprisoned with all of your attorneys? (URL) about jailed without bail, right to an atty, or the possibility of a writ of habeas corpus? I'll leave it to Larry P. to provide the cites should the need arise (you (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | (...) So in Iraq, the majority of people want to do something but they can not. In the US, the majority of people can do something but they do not want to. My head hurts. I guess it is as Eisenhower said: "A country that values its privledges above (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) I don't think this is an accurate description at all. Americans do ACT and they often pay a much higher price than you might imagine. (...) Hmmm, I don't know this one. But if the equations are: privileges = rights (as is done in a lot of case (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | (...) I am refering to the majority of Americans. I get the impression that they are comfortable so they do not care. (...) Well I was thinking: privileges = lavish consumer goods and services, false sense of security, etc. principles = civil (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) No truer words were ever written. The North American Game Preserve -- replete with X-Box, 17" flatscreens, downloaded porn, the boat in the drive, the BMW-Mercedes-whathaveyou parked behind it, a room full of lego... ...hey, that could be my (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Wasn't he the "one nation, under God" guy? Dave! (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | (...) It was either he or Truman-- no, wait, Truman was the guy who made all Federal workers swear on a stack of Bibles they aren't Communists.... Maggie C. (22 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) ROFL. I just hope that's not true. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Didn't work very well, did it? :-) (22 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) If I take your meaning, then it sounds like it worked as well as any other ritual. Was each applicant also required to throw salt over his left shoulder? Dave! (22 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) Of course! But it had to be salt obtained through the government purchasing system, which effectively brought the price to about $65 per pound. Maggie (22 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Idealism vs Realism? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | (...) Hell, no! I AM the PINKO, ANTI-CHRIST! }:) ...okay, I admit I was just exaggerating -- I am not actually a pinko. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 1-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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