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| | | (...) I agree that desperation is what is driving _most_ of the Palestinians. However, a small number have achieved positions of power (not really Arafat, though he certainly has some power) due to their ability to lead and incite rebellion. These (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dan Boger
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| | | | | (...) (URL) only shows the Israeli casualties though... I don't know where to find the Palestinian side. Also all these are easy to verify (cnn, ruiters), unlike some of the PA claims. Dan (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | (...) available, it seems so - has this also been verified in past times of conflict? (say '87-'93, for instance) Pedro (just curious, really) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) their attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in ‘53. The day after the attack a UN observer said that the IDF had forced civilians to stay in their homes whilst they were demolished around them. 69 civilians were killed - over half of them (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | (...) so you're not saying that what I quoted was wrong, just that they were missing some info? perhaps. BTW, that attack in '53 is taught today, still, in IDF basic training as an example of an "illegal command", which a soldier is not allowed to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | (...) Define "significant", please. 'Cause I can remember *a lot* of peaceful nations that resulted from the acceptance of their independance by a theoretically much stronger enemy, rather than its anihilation. Browse through a map of Europe and you (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) Well, actually I reject the notion that desperation is not a factor in N.I. Peace is one issue, freedom is another. I am not sure I can condone a state of peace maintained at the expense of freedom and self-rule -- is one expected to be happy (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: this is one of the scariest, most disturbing posts I've ever read on LUGNET. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —James Trobaugh
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| | | | | | | I'm with you on that Dan. jt (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | (...) I, for one, could use some clarification here. I certainly had no intention of offending anyone of any culture or race or etc. I am for peace. I do not see myself as favoring either side in violence. If my "Romeo and Juliet" solution seemed in (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) I do hope that you'll choose to clarify this. Not only because I'd be interested to hear what was "scary" about Richard's note but also because I think that to whatever extent you occupy an administrative role, throwaway comments like this (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | (...) I agree with you. Fredrik (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) ...and agree with you. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Most people might agree. Why do they need a homeland? I'm leaning toward believing that the very notion of 'homeland' is a divisive instrument. Maybe we should seek to eliminate that idea globally. (...) I think that terror is a tool (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) The interesting point about a Jewish "homeland", is that at the turn of the last centaury a large tract of Argentina was being considered seriously. Scott A (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —David Koudys
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) In our culture, we are mostly brought up to believe that life is precious and that suicide isn't a viable option. We are shocked and dismayed when people kill (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) What exactly are these warriors promised from the afterlife? How is their belief about the ultimate sacrifice different than our own? Many Americans have made suicidal attacks "in the line of honor." How and why is it different? I think that (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) The fact that these attacks are suicide attacks is irrelevant. The issue is the deliberate and unjustifiable killing of civilians. (...) What do padres promise your country’s troops as they go into battle? Hell and damnation? I think not! (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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