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(...) The 9/11 guys weren't US citizens (I think one or two were). But hasn't the UK had trouble with terrorism by citizens? (not the Ireland troubles, but the 21st century kind). Tim (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If most of them weren't US citizens then I agree with the latter part of this argument. With Terror tactics and WMDs (such as a Boeing 747) then a viable body of rebels doesn't have to be large. Were the hijackers US citizens by and large then (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) Speaking of Demogoguery... (URL) wait, he's a Republican. I guess his speechifying can't be considered that. As an aside, I agree with everything Hagel stated and consider him a man of class. (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) In a literal meaning, war on a noun--eh, hardly humour there In the meaning that we both probaby agree on--a war against fanaticals who appear to have no issue with killing civilians of any (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, Tim--I missed your post, or I would have responded earlier. DaveE has already offered good thoughts on this point, but I'd go in a slightly different direction. In my view, a rebellion necessarily consists of a viably large body of (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LOL I think they're a bit like a wedge of vintage cheddar: They seem solid, but the edges always crumble a bit, and someone is always going to be lactose intolerant and not want any part of it. Cheers Richie Dulin (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's pretty sketchy. You could define "rebellion" as a group of citizens who take action against the government. But does that action necessarily require that it's an armed action, or a physically destructive one? What if they were hacking in (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, with due respect, you don't know that. Many of these detainees were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, or they were mistaken for someone else, or they were coerced into fighting against invading US forces. We have only the word (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Excellent question. I don't know. But I do know that if they are released, they will attack us again. (...) No, I think it was in response to a new category of enemy who isn't represented by a nation-state. They don't deserve a trial by jury. (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you think the war on "terrah" is a joke? Who knows upon what information the US government is acting upon. I don't, so I can't comment. (...) "Demogoguery"? (...) Let me count the ways: They aren't even a real country anyway. Their hockey (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And if you leave the US justice system to sort things out regarding this 'war on terrah', they deport Canadians to Syria (URL) glad *some* senators are calling it what it is-- (URL) "We knew damn well if he went to Canada he wouldn't be (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no idea. All I'm saying is that if you hold to a strictly literal interpretation of the Constitution (as Dave initially suggested), you can get absurd conclusions, as both Specter and Gonzales have illustrated. And so the game goes on. (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But they are entitled to certain protections that, by design, are denied to this latest batch. For example, prisoners of war are to be released at the war's end, but Dubya has pretty clearly stated that the War on Terror will never be over. So (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you saying that you think Gonzales was joking? Or that he genuinely ought to "fight stupidity with even greater stupidity"? DaveE (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Enemy combatants have never had a right to trial. (...) This term wasn't invented or coined by President Bush, so don't blame him or Gonzo. (...) Is your rant against the classification of "enemy combatant" and its legal status? Or are you (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. By being literal. But I think he did so to counter Specter's obtuse literalism. JOHN (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Only because no other scenario was imagined. So it would be your opinion that, if a scenario of terrorist attacks like 9-11 were somehow proposed to the FF, they wouldn't include that form of violence in their "invasion or rebellion" (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I guess the distinction I'm trying to make here is that if Gonzales's assertion is accurate, there's no definitions anywhere of what constitutes someone with the right to habeas corpus and someone who doesn't. In effect, it invalidates Article (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course not--RW radio mentions it daily, every time they blame Clinton for 9/11. (...) Okay, so two attacks in a decade constitute an invasion? Sorry, but "invasion" implies the insertion of a substantial military presence into the target (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure it is, if these individuals are stripped of all rights to trial. Bush is declaring "they're guilty because I say so, so we don't need a trial to hold them indefinitely." Sorry, but that's a pretty abominable statement for the leader of (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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