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(...) Should that be "(URL) Gone Poland>"? I suppose now that Bush has won his 2nd term, there is no need for Poland (and others) to maintain their token presence. Scott A (20 years ago, 12-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's primarily based on what I know about time considering its relation to energy, and how time is actually unconstant. Also, a sneaking suspicion that time is "curved" just like everything else. Similar to how we once thought the Earth was (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops! Did I do that? If so, I didn't mean to--sorry! I usually try to refer to the Christian deity as capital-G "God," but I know that I've sometimes included him in the rhetorical group lower-case-g "gods." I try to use the latter reference (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. AND specifically acknowledged as beyond the understanding of science. (...) Agreed. <faints> :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It sort of bugs me when people who are referring to God not capitalize it in an attempt to somehow disacknowledge His existence, but I digress (and demote "Science" to "science") (...) I like Lenny's statement, but I think there is much (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't make a statement about the origin. My statement would be: "There is not enough evidence to make an educated statement about the origin of the universe." The origin being defined as the moment(s) before the Big Bang. That statement (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which "theories of origin," though? Do you mean that the "cause" of the Big Bang should not be discussed, or that the Big Bang itself should not be discussed? If the former, then I agree with you; such philosophizing currently is not suited to (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, but I also contend that theories of the origin of the universe be excluded as well. JOHN (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sounds wise. Therefore, let science be silent on the matter of the origin of the universe. (...) But so is the origin of the universe! (which is my whole point!) (...) Only if you are claiming that they are not physical. (...) There is no (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. Which is why I have yet to see any science argue about events before the Big Bang(1). Those questions are best left to philosophers. -Lenny (1)= Well, not entirely true. Stephen Hawking has an interesting idea about the history of the (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Where one cannot speak, there one must be silent." Here, we are confusing the scientific attitude with the attitude of scientists. Science doesn't take a stand on God, since the very idea, as you point out, is beyond the scope of science. (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not comfortable with the capital "S," by the way, but I suppose that's a stylistic choice rather than a deification of "Science." But I digress... I think that that's a mischaracterization, though. Regarding something that it can't (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) An intelligent Designer could argue that God initiated the Big Bang. How can Science disagree? It isn't possible. The study of the origin of the universe by Science is in and of itself psuedoscience. JOHN (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Really? Upon what do you base that observation? Because based on all of my observations, everything known has a beginning and an end (except the existence of the universe). (...) My point was that it is UNscientific to generate a theory by (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No doubt. The same way Apollo Landing denyers are a critique to History. Or Alien abductionists are a critique to Governmental policy. Or, I hate to say it(1), as Holocaust denyers are a critique to History. My point is that I have yet to hear (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Funny. Here you argue against teleology (the world is as it is because it was {designed}) (...) And then here you finish an arguement {for} teleology. A question for you: Isn't it possible that these coincidental parts of physics (water being (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It originated by a story about that, but I don't think anyone is defending it. It is more about a critique of Science WRT to the origin of the universe. JOHN (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) And this may be the crux of my problem with Science. Science categorically denies the existence of anything it cannot investigate. It requires proof, something that is categorically (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I will state again that my God isn't the 'god of the gap', so you don't have to go looking for it. Furthermore, I didn't consign 'God' to whatever science cannot answer. If that's the interpretation then I didn't make my point clear. Let's (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I think the technical reason is that God doesn't exist because there can be no *disproof* of God. IE, no matter what sort of tests you could set up, you'd never be able to *disprove* God's existance no matter what the outcome of (...) (20 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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