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Iraq - In the shadow of war: backlash against human rights (URL) the military action by the USA, UK and their allies began in Iraq on 20 March, a backlash against certain human rights has been witnessed around the world. These include: * attacks on (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
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(...) I'm just not familiar enough with Blair to say, beyond I suspect he likes the idea of acting tough. Bush probably has several agendas, though the weight of each is unknown: Inherited hostility: The enemy of my father is my enemy. Though Bush (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interestingly, there *IS* an undeniable link between Saddam and the actions and al-Qaeda; bin Laden has explicitly stated that his motives derive in part from his disgust at the overbearing presence of US military in Saudia Arabia. Of course, (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't you just love our freedom loving allies? Turkey: End sexual torture against women in custody! (URL) A (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even that funded by Pakistan? (...) Me too. I'd love to hear what he has to say. Likewise for SH. Do you think Bush would want us to hear about their version of events? (...) Why just "to the United States and her citizens"? (...) Evidence? (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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(...) I think he's much less dangerous than people like you, John. Because Richard, while often extremely annoying, is more interested in everyone's freedom from oppression. You, however, are one of the most oppressive people in this forum, and if (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) BuzzFlash asks Greg Palast: "What the Heck is Going on With Tony Blair?" (URL) Tony has figured out a way to shoot down a couple of enemies at once. All politics is local, including international relations. Tony Blair is using the war on (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I actually do agree with you on a few points here. I agree that Bush’s diplomacy was imperfect. I, however, believe the other side. I think he spent far too much time in debate and discussion. I have little patience for diplomatic posturing and (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bush's justifications for this war changed almost weekly, it seemed. Now, within the terms of diplomacy, this can be understandable to a point as you may find it advantagous to emphasize different aspects to different people, but it seems more (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don’t have the chance to respond with the same level of frequency here on OTD as many of the regulars, so this may sound like a hit and run, as I will voice my opinion and probably not respond to rebuttals in a timely fashion. I, however, desired (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
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(...) Um hello? "Before" what? 9-11, all the embassy bombings, WTC bombing #1....? (...) Peace?!?! You are the one single-mindedly attacking people for having differing views from you! (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Special Search Operations Yield No Banned Weapons" (URL) the final word of course, but it doesn't speak well of american intelligence sources. Sure is great to mount a war on nothing more than suspicion and impatience. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Iraqi ultralights spotted over U.S. troops" (URL) Gen. Victor E. “Gene” Renuart Jr., director of operations for Central Command, was quick to label the bombing as an act of terrorism. “That kind of an activity is a symbol of an organization that is (...) (22 years ago, 30-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | My Concession (for John mostly)
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The 'Coalition of the willing' is *trying* to 'fight the good fight'--*trying* to stay on the moral high ground. SH, et al, have no such compunction. My point has always been that we don't always follow our ideals when they're "inconvenient". SH, as (...) (22 years ago, 30-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Newsbit: Something I Hadn't Noticed About Patriot Act II
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"Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti- Terrorism Act" (URL) 501, “Expatriation of Terrorists”: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated “if, with the intent to relinquish his (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Newsbits: Defense Contractors and Water Barons
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"Advisors of Influence: Nine Members of the Defense Policy Board Have Ties to Defense Contractors" (URL) How elected officials and registered lobbyists apportion your money. This would be why we must fear the military industrial complex (perhaps our (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Frog Apologizes and Shuts Up (at least for now)
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(...) Whether any particular person has thick enough skin to not allow rudeness to effect his emotional state doesn't change the rudeness. Richard is traditionally much more clever in his responses to people than he has been in the past weeks when (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
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(...) I see no reason why the people of Iraq shouldn't wage war if they feel it's warranted. Even on the US, UK and Australia if they see them as a potential threat sometime in the future. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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But without the war part, right Rosco? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
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(...) to justify war against Saddam - a "nightmare scenario" in which he might eventually pass weapons of mass destruction to terrorists." Now go back and read my last link. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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