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(...) The force is a social compulsion. When I was young, I thought that the right thing to do was to refuse to recite the pledge because I didn't agree to it. My first grade teacher (Mrs. Henderson - Fern Drive Elementary, Fullerton, CA) tried to (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where's the "force"? down everyone's throats, as long as they keep (...) persecuted for (...) My words happen to echo Judge Fernandez's dissent (though I hadn't read it at the time). No one is being forced to say the pledge (that was ruled (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First, let me just say: Holy Crap! What a lot of complicated questions! Obviously, I have to make the usual I AM NOT A LAWYER warning here. But, really -- I am not a lawyer and you shouldn't consider anything I say any kind of legal advice. These (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, if you were someone we've been debating with, that new word would obviously be "freedoms", since he has absolutely no clue whatsoever about the meaning of the word from his statements to date. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yet you see no problem in forcing God down everyone's throats, as long as they keep their mouths shut and stop "crying": "(unless one is an atheistic activist who goes about crying about being persecuted for believing in nothing)." (your words) "I (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hah! Who says .debate is useless??? I've learnt a new word today! It's up to you to guess which one.... ROSCO FUT: .o-t.fun (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Hardly. What I meant was it's irrelevant to me because it is none of my business *what* other people believe-- they are free to believe what they wish. -John (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, that's how I felt about the Troll Alert-- funny, but not very useful;-) I suspect that in this current (...) I gathered. Your posts seem to fit his definition (...) Thank you for recognizing that fact. Of course I'm not a troll, and while (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard, In the past you have made references to your legal education and the woeful lack of legal education in virtually all of The People. I'm wondering if you have any reasonable suggestions about how to obtain said education. I applied to (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) money and you will find your answers -- while all the pretended reasons (morality, justice, etc.) remain mute. Another example: Some call if graft, others call it Title 12 of the U.S. Codes. -- Hop-Frog (awaiting the year of Jubilee) (22 years ago, 30-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, This may be old news, but have y'all read this? (URL) are some pretty nefarious connections suggested by the article. Chris (22 years ago, 30-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) debate Richard was referring to you. Your posts seem to fit his definition well, HIS posts on the other hand have not fit that definition at all. However I am not sure I agree with his characterization of you (if that is what was intended by (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Helpful example: (URL) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In this thread I've seen a lot of "America has a special purpose, and therefore has become a special place...etc" here--so I'd suggest that anyone who's internalized that take a look at Anders Stephanson's _Manifest Destiny_--which really points (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "sesquipedalian" is hereby my Word of the Day. But I never knew you were missing half of one of your feet, Dave! (...) Besides, "Under God" was added in 1954, and has no place in the original Pledge. I've seen letters in local newspapers--both (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks, Dave-- your command of the obvious is an inspiration. BTW, wasn't the DoI *ratified* by the congress? (...) My point was that they held certain views about God (that one existed and Created the universe), while not subscribing to any (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because the Declaration isn't a document of law; it's a Declaration of Independence (that's why they call it that). (...) The Founding Fathers' position on the matter was that Congress shall make no law respecting religion. Again, the DOI is (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sure, it's irrelevant to you because you have no problem cramming it down other's throats. Repugnant. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All I am saying is that the phrase "so help me God" is a part of it. Whether one believes in God or not is irrelevant (to me at least). -John (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) you didn't but you seem to imply that if I don't believe in God, I shouldn't bother applying for citzenship...? Dan (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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