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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:32:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes:
> Yet you see no problem in forcing God
Where's the "force"?
down everyone's throats, as long as they
keep
> their mouths shut and stop "crying":
> "(unless one is an atheistic activist who goes about crying about being • persecuted for
> believing in nothing)."
> (your words)
My words happen to echo Judge Fernandez's dissent (though I hadn't read it at
the time). No one is being forced to say the pledge (that was ruled upon in
'43), and "the de minimis tendency of the Pledge to establish a religion or to
interfere with its free exercise is no constitutional violation at all".
It seems to me that that is a reasonable stance to take, but for that I get
personal attacks. And *I* get accused of being inflexible and stubborn!
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> "I don't condone the persecution of any group. For the most part, I am for
> tolerance and respect. As long as every group shows tolerance and respect, I
> can live with that." (Your words)
> ...unless, of course they're atheists. Then they're fair game for target • practice.
> (My take on all of your current statements to date as to your obvious • distain/distaste
> for non-believers).
Excuse me, the distain being shown here is from Newdow et al who are making a
mountain out of a molehole. The hostility is coming from atheists towards the
religious, not the other way around.
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> "And so what if a person wants to become a citizen of this country
> and is required to cite "under God". Nobody is forcing them to become a
> citizen. " (Your words)
> ...of course, that's persecuting atheists, now, isn't it?
I don't know if anyone has ever claimed thus.
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> Bigot.
Hypocrite! You are just as entrenched in your views as you claim I am!
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> Take the words out. Religious nutters like you can get upset all they want - • you can
> still THINK the words if you wish, and I have no problem with you THINKING • them. I
> have a problem with you forcing others to SAY them.
And what's next on the edit list, Tom? Coins? Declaration of Independence?
The National Anthem? The nuts here are those bound and determined to strike
every iota of reference to God from our culture, regardless of the effect upon
them or country.
-John
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