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Stirring the waters a bit here... I'm not sure what I think of the proposed amendment. I'm all for free speech, but I think that burning the flag is wrong too. Is there middle ground somewhere where I could find some footing? What do you think? (URL) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do tell... I'm rather at a loss on how there is a difference in the meanings of such fundamental terms. Rather, this was a deliberate misconstruing, done knowingly by Congress. Kind of like how Michigan's Right to Carry law was made referendum (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, Just so you know that Larry's not just being rude because of your...special...relationship, I have no idea what you're saying either. I think that I've put the words individually all back together, but I still just don't know what you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it does not imply either of those things. I'm shocked, just shocked, that you would not be able to read my words and derive the clear meaning they contain. But oh well. The constitution suffers from lack of clarity in many places, (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is so riddled with typos I can't make it out. Would you please repeat the question, this time carefully checking for correctness? Thanks. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bodie, California would certainly count (the popular observation of the times: "Goodbye God, I'm going to Bodie"). I mean, one could hardly call Mormon Central (Utah) the "wild" west for example (oops, just peered at the next sentence...you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to skip right to the meat of the matter. Not trying to avoid it. (...) Maybe. That certainly isn't a given. For one thing, statistics often are compiled such that they attempt to represent under reported aspects. Since the statute (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If such a majority exists, then they should have the ability to amend the constitution. I encourage their right to do so. And I don't fear it because I don't think it can happen. And if it does, I may well chose to break the law. I am nobody's (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I note you skipped the part about the morons firing into the air not getting into the stats. :-) And those instances you mention weren't reported and so weren't part of the stats, either. Bruce (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be. Democracy doesn't depend on a constitution per se. However, the US has a constitution that is supposed to be the prime law of the land. All other rules are subordinate and inferior to the constitution and rules that conflict with (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh...you mean the other reference was to people under 21 or something and you'd rather be looking at only the younger ones. Gotcha! (...) the (...) better). (...) Well, if I had the stats to know, I'd post them. So I don't know. I suspect you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idunno, a film that actually admitted that a cannon shot essentially an iron bowling ball can't be all bad... Bruce (okay, so I skip the over-wrought story on the DVD player) :-) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is another example in which it's useful to recall the context of the 18th century vs. the context of today. "Interstate" and "commerce" had strikingly different meanings back then, I suspect, or at least strikingly different applications. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What would you use as criteria for testing? (...) Governing *who* is allowed to own a firearm is different than governing *how* a firearm is stored. How are inspections conducted? Are they random, or planned? Does the governement need (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My understanding is that some places and some times were peacable for the most part. What counts as the wild west? I'm reading books written by J.D. Fitzgerald about his life in southern Utah prior to the turn of the 20th century. Some of the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does this not imply that you feel that the founders could not be wrong in any way, and that their intentions are 100% clear? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps. But the majority in the US does want more gun control. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They don't scare me. Should they? (...) Or maybe I am not. Maybe I work for BATF? (...) Is democracy unconstitutional? (...) I am. That is what happened in all 3 places. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think the could conciev how powerful democarcy would come. How everyone (more or less) would be able to vote? Or do you think they had events like the French revolution in mind? Scott A (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall try again: I was thinking more about the real kids that were killed with guns - ie those who were under 16. (...) Why? Do you think I am wrong? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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