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Re: Rarest 60's Lego Item?? was Re: Frank's first LEGO train set has been a 111
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Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:28:03 GMT
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In lugnet.general, David Koudys wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote:
> > In lugnet.trains, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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> > Congratulations to the winnning of this auction Gary!
> >
> > No I haven't been aware of these garage colour-mix-up at all. To be honest I
> > have even never owned such a garage and not more than 5 H0-cars so far. That is
> > too far out of the focus of my part of hobby. I like to look at other peoples
> > collections, but I myself feel more as a model builder. The only thing I am
> > still collecing is the paperware around the "LEGO® Eisenbahn".
> >
> > Concerning you question for these garage types: I would dare to bet a fat amount
> > of money, that the German collector "Legohunter" (Peter Reinartz) surly owns
> > some of these. He has up to tenthousands of H0-cars as I heard.....
> >
> > Look at this link for a (very) few examples of his old stuff:
> > http://www.petersoldtoys.de/forum/wbboard/frame.php?module=4
> >
> > Leg Godt!
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > > Have you (or any 1000steine folks) ever seen one of these?
> > >
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5956492138
> > >
> > > All 1962-65 European catalogs show the 1:87 cars with a red garage and a white
> > > base (the base is incorrectly shown as gray in most catalogs, except for the
> > > British ones, which correctly show white). Here's a 1963 German catalog:
> > >
> > > http://horst-lehner.mausnet.de/lego/katalog/gk63/GK63-2.JPG
> > >
> > > The red door/white base garages are unknown to all my German and Danish
> > > collector friends, even though all catalogs show them as red. I know of only
> > > one other collector (from Yorkshire England) that has one of these. It appears
> > > that 99.99% of all of these ever produced were with a gray door and a gray base.
> > > This is probably one of the biggest (of many) Lego catalog errors from the
> > > 1960's.
> > >
> > > Gary Istok
> > >
> > > P.S. I' sending this to lugnet.general
>
> If you look at the bottom of this page--
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> http://sparky.i989.net/legop5.htm
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> I have two white bottoms. That said, I also have a grey bottom as well. No
> idea where the grey bottoms came from. I've been told that the white bottom
> came from the Garage set so that's how I built it. I have 3 garage doors and
> they're all red.
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> Since I learned my lesson last time, I'll not say where these 'garage
> baseplates' originated from. ;)
>
> Dave K
Hey Dave,
The moment you said "bottom", I had a suspicion you were not talking about the
same garages...
There are 2 major garage types of the early Lego era:
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Type 1: Flip-up Garages - 1955-72.
This garage type is known as the "flip-up" garage. It was sold as #235/#1235
(also sold as #435 in 1966-72 in some parts of Europe). This garage was a 5
piece garage set that had an 8x18 baseplate, a garage frame (6 studs wide x 4
bricks tall), and a door (with 2 counter balances) that fit within the door
frame. The garage plate had a "push-down" section at the front that would open
the door when depressed.
This garage was also available as #236/#1236, a complete garage with 2 1x6x2 (3
pane) classic red windows and a 1x8 GARAGE named brick. (It was also found as
#436 in some parts of Europe from 1966-72).
This same garage was included in the #810 and #725 Town Plan sets, as well as
Service Station sets #310/#1310 Esso Service (1957-66) and #325 Shell Station
(1966-70), which had 2 garages.
This garage is most often found with a white base, white frame and red door from
1955-66. From 1966-72 it is found with a gray base, gray frame and red door.
However, there are some real rarities in this type of garage - red base
(1955-56, extremely rare), white door (1955-65, rare), clear/yellow door
(1966-70, Shell #325, rare), red frame (1955-62, very rare),
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Type II: 1:87 Clear Garages For 1:87 Cars - 1962-66.
This small "self contained" garage was 4 x 8 x 3 (width x length x height) and
was used to house the #261-#268 1:87 Lego cars. Here is an example I was very
fortunate to get (at the incredible bargain price of $50) in its' original
wrapping:
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/texstuff/item/3041
The cars housed in these "garages" (boxes) were: #261 - VW Beetle, #262 Opel
Rekord, #263 Ford Taunus 17M (1950's style), #264 Mercedes 220, #265 Karman
Ghia, #266 Mercedes 190SL, #267 VW 1500 Limousine, #268 Ford Taunus 17M (1960's
Style), #670 Jaguar E Type (Britain only) and #671 Vauxhall Victor Estate
(Britain only).
The #261-#268 were available in Europe and USA/Canada, although you will never
see them in any USA/Canada catalog. I still have the VW Beetle and Mercedes
190SL convertible that I purchased as a child in the mid 60's.
Interestingly enough these were never included in any Lego set in Europe. Only
USA/Canada sets #536 (Designers set) had one, and #842 Town Plan (only sold as
USA/Canada department store catalog items) had three of them.
These are the ones that I mentioned as being so very rare in "red door/white
base". Interestingly enough a German collector friend found one with a black
door/gray base. Regardless of what the European catalogs of the mid 60's show,
the common variety (99.99% of the time) are the gray door/gray base.
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Hope that clears things up. Believe it or not, I go into much greater detail in
the Lego CD about the different types and variations.
Gary Istok
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